My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 32

Solid Snake · 09-27-2011, 03:38 PM

There's a lot of reasons to dislike Sifright's plan that IHMN has not accounted for. (

The 'doctor' or 'protective' role could be lynched D1.
The 'investigator' could be lynched D1.
The 'doctor' or 'protective' role could die N1.
The 'investigator' could die N1.
The 'doctor' or protective' role could be lynched D2.
Mafia could simply target Sifright to be killed N1, effectively guaranteeing that Town wastes an investigation, all the while encouraging us to investigate Sifright, knowing that Sifright would be killed.
Mafia could have a 'watcher' role (they do exist), either one-time or permanently. Mafia 'watches' Sifright and can view anyone who visits him. Presto! The Mafia knows who the Investigator is.
Either the Doctor or the Investigator could be kidnapped or killed in a manner that leaves no trace (Mafia has this role sometimes, too! They did in my game!) Then Scum can claim the Investigator (if he's kidnapped.) Or Scum can pretend the Doctor's still out there, knowing that he isn't and can't save anyone.
Sifright could be a 'Godfather,' in which case as Scum he'd scan innocent even if he is not innocent. Every 'investigator' has limits to his power(s). Actually, it'd be to Sifright's advantage as scum Godfather to make the investigator waste a scan 'confirming' him.
Sifright could be SK or Cult; in some games, SKs or Cult members scan innocent by Cops.

...Really there are so many ways this could backfire.
General Rule: As investigator you NEVER LET YOURSELF BE TOLD WHO TO INVESTIGATE. You trust no one, do your own research, and don't reveal your role and your findings until you have to.

HOS: IHMN for being stupid.

rpgdemon · 09-27-2011, 03:38 PM

It's entirely possible that you're making an assumption that you shouldn't in making your plans: We can't trust you to be town.

Even though you know that you're town, if you are town, we don't, and you're acting very suspect.

Nikose Tyris · 09-27-2011, 03:39 PM

hey Snake

Wanna compile a numbered list of people you find suspicious? like incredibly suspicious? Cause I think your number is at 5 now but I'm having network issues and can't backread the thread all that easily

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 03:40 PM

So explain to me why you want the investigator to reveal himself if i'm not mafia. how does that make any bloody sense? You want him to show himself and get himself killed to prove I am not mafia rather than getting him self killed to take down a mafia. How is this a thing that makes sense.

Solid Snake · 09-27-2011, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

hey Snake

Wanna compile a numbered list of people you find suspicious? like incredibly suspicious? Cause I think your number is at 5 now but I'm having network issues and can't backread the thread all that easily

Suspicions have changed throughout the 'Day;' some people I originally found suspicious aren't people I find quite as suspicious any more. But yeah, 5 actually sounds like an entirely reasonable number of D1 suspects, given the existence of both a Mafia team and a Cult.

I don't think I'm being overly paranoid, just appropriately cautious.
The list will have to wait though as I'm heading out to Energy Law class.

rpgdemon · 09-27-2011, 03:44 PM

I want him to not be forced to die, and we'll still be able to take down a mafia, actually.

You're flip flopping between thinking of yourself as expendable, and not. Choose one or the other. If you really think you're expendable now, and the power roles are more important to protect, then play that way. If you don't, then play that way, but I don't know how killing our power roles will help a town victory.

If you're town, you still win if you're dead when the town wins. (I think? I assume so, at least.)

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 03:47 PM

yes but I am playing that way the investigator doesn't reveal himself if i'm NOT mafia. as I KNOW i'm NOT this makes PERFECT sense for me to do so. THUS what could get me killed would be a fake investigator who would die the day after i am lynched as I will be shown to be town when i am killed.

I am not flip flopping about how expendable I am but Killing me to prove kareshs claim doesn't make much sense and helps the scum. This is a way to prove my claim that doesn't hurt the town team and secures kareshs claim as well.

Think about it like this, if i'm scum there is a reasonable chance karesh is as well as that would be a reasonable gambit unless you are presuming I was 'cold reading'

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 03:48 PM

Not to mention the investigator can always choose to reveal later on that I am mafia and by scanning me now and knowing the answer if i am mafia he has time to compile a list for a grand reveal.

Sifright · 09-27-2011, 03:49 PM

Also RPgdemon how do you prove me scum without use of the investigator with out having me killed?

Solid Snake · 09-27-2011, 03:49 PM

I'm not digging this whole 'Sifright has to die'

I don't like his claim, but his claim actually puts Scum in an awkward situation if Sifright and Karesh are both Town and Sifright isn't lying. I'd tell you why, but I don't want to actually aid Scum by offering the explanation.

And in the end, it's hard to imagine Sifright (as Scum) claiming such a ridiculous role in Dr. Whooves with ridiculous flavor unless it's true. Scum usually does not need to rely on such wacky gambits to get a Townie lynched D1. What I'm actually saying is that what do not want to do is 'order' the Investigator to Investigate anyone. That is a gift of knowledge to Scum that Scum can very easily exploit in many, many ways.

09-27-2011, 03:38 PM	#311
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	There's a lot of reasons to dislike Sifright's plan that IHMN has not accounted for. ( The 'doctor' or 'protective' role could be lynched D1. The 'investigator' could be lynched D1. The 'doctor' or 'protective' role could die N1. The 'investigator' could die N1. The 'doctor' or protective' role could be lynched D2. Mafia could simply target Sifright to be killed N1, effectively guaranteeing that Town wastes an investigation, all the while encouraging us to investigate Sifright, knowing that Sifright would be killed. Mafia could have a 'watcher' role (they do exist), either one-time or permanently. Mafia 'watches' Sifright and can view anyone who visits him. Presto! The Mafia knows who the Investigator is. Either the Doctor or the Investigator could be kidnapped or killed in a manner that leaves no trace (Mafia has this role sometimes, too! They did in my game!) Then Scum can claim the Investigator (if he's kidnapped.) Or Scum can pretend the Doctor's still out there, knowing that he isn't and can't save anyone. Sifright could be a 'Godfather,' in which case as Scum he'd scan innocent even if he is not innocent. Every 'investigator' has limits to his power(s). Actually, it'd be to Sifright's advantage as scum Godfather to make the investigator waste a scan 'confirming' him. Sifright could be SK or Cult; in some games, SKs or Cult members scan innocent by Cops. ...Really there are so many ways this could backfire. General Rule: As investigator you *NEVER LET YOURSELF BE TOLD WHO TO INVESTIGATE.* You trust no one, do your own research, and don't reveal your role and your findings until you have to. HOS: IHMN for being stupid. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-27-2011, 03:38 PM	#312
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	It's entirely possible that you're making an assumption that you shouldn't in making your plans: We can't trust you to be town. Even though you know that you're town, if you are town, we don't, and you're acting very suspect. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

09-27-2011, 03:44 PM	#316
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	I want him to not be forced to die, and we'll still be able to take down a mafia, actually. You're flip flopping between thinking of yourself as expendable, and not. Choose one or the other. If you really think you're expendable now, and the power roles are more important to protect, then play that way. If you don't, then play that way, but I don't know how killing our power roles will help a town victory. If you're town, you still win if you're dead when the town wins. (I think? I assume so, at least.) __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

09-27-2011, 03:49 PM	#320
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	I'm not digging this whole 'Sifright has to die' I don't like his claim, but his claim actually puts Scum in an awkward situation if Sifright and Karesh are both Town and Sifright isn't lying. I'd tell you why, but I don't want to actually aid Scum by offering the explanation. And in the end, it's hard to imagine Sifright (as Scum) claiming such a ridiculous role in Dr. Whooves with ridiculous flavor unless it's true. Scum usually does not need to rely on such wacky gambits to get a Townie lynched D1. What I'm actually saying is that what do not want to do is 'order' the Investigator to Investigate anyone. That is a gift of knowledge to Scum that Scum can very easily exploit in many, many ways. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-27-2011, 03:40 PM	#314
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	So explain to me why you want the investigator to reveal himself if i'm not mafia. how does that make any bloody sense? You want him to show himself and get himself killed to prove I am not mafia rather than getting him self killed to take down a mafia. How is this a thing that makes sense.

09-27-2011, 03:47 PM	#317
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	yes but I am playing that way the investigator doesn't reveal himself if i'm NOT mafia. as I KNOW i'm NOT this makes PERFECT sense for me to do so. THUS what could get me killed would be a fake investigator who would die the day after i am lynched as I will be shown to be town when i am killed. I am not flip flopping about how expendable I am but Killing me to prove kareshs claim doesn't make much sense and helps the scum. This is a way to prove my claim that doesn't hurt the town team and secures kareshs claim as well. Think about it like this, if i'm scum there is a reasonable chance karesh is as well as that would be a reasonable gambit unless you are presuming I was 'cold reading'

09-27-2011, 03:48 PM	#318
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Not to mention the investigator can always choose to reveal later on that I am mafia and by scanning me now and knowing the answer if i am mafia he has time to compile a list for a grand reveal.

09-27-2011, 03:49 PM	#319
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Also RPgdemon how do you prove me scum without use of the investigator with out having me killed?