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It's not so much the asking to be killed part that's terrible. It's entirely possible that Tavros never killed a single thing during SGrub (Tinkerbull notwithstanding), merely continuing to use his powers of Communion to have the underlings work for him. He's certainly never killed another troll before, obviously he'd have difficulty starting now. Given Troll society, I rather doubt Trolls have a concept of a "mercy kill" (or "mercy" itself), so there's also that. I believe the worst part of it is, however, that she was continuing to mind control him so she can scream at him for not doing it, to the extent that he's bleeding from his own goddamn fingers and writing with his own blood, but wouldn't mind control him to the extent required to actually perform the deed. Regardless of her request, she was still trying to force him to do it. She never had any intention of giving him a choice in the matter, only in maintaining enough of an illusion of free will for ... whatever purpose. Perhaps she was trying to turn him into a more remorseless killer, to change him to better reflect her ideal. And then she has the gall to give him shit about it later.
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She's shutting the exile out of her mind while at the same time making Tavros write more and more stuff. I'm not saying she's not stressed, but it seems wrong somehow that she'd go from the wounds of her real body being painless to her dream body (first expression) to having a seizure from them, while the only change she seems to have gone through is more blood loss. And even then the mechanics of the whole thing are vague.
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Please don't make me 8leed to death slowly." Nope. Not asking for a mercy kill at all. Quote:
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The only difference would be I wouldn't have disagreed that it was particularly bitchy, someone would have pointed out that having the guy who is completely against violence off his 'friend' was a horrible psychologically traumatizing thing to do, instead of Fifth pointing out that it's psychologically traumatizing to ask him to do it repeatedly. Which it would be, even though he's the only one there to do it. And which this is, even though he's the only one there to do it. But, again, this is a situation where no one is exactly coming out without some kind of trauma. If she had forced him to do it, would it have left him feeling better? Would it have left him feeling worse? Is having her dream self rupture and bleed slowly while someone screams at her from beyond the pall that she should take his will any less psychologically traumatizing? What could she have done, realistically, that would have satiated you in this situation? I'm not disagreeing that it was harmful to Tavros. What I am disagreeing with is that freaking out when you're dying painfully because the only one who could possibly make it less painful refuses to do anything is somehow a horrible evil act. Especially one that even BEGINS to compare with every other thing that Vriska has done. "A Vriska did it" may be annoying, but it's not half as annoying as everyone throwing a bitch fit whenever she does anything at all ever. She could pet a puppy and I swear someone would find a way to paint her as the worst person in the world because she petted a puppy. She may be the worst person in the world, but this is not the reason. This doesn't even contribute to it. Quote:
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On its own, yeah, this isn't a particularly helpful contribution to her trophy collection. But her continued abuse of Tavros and the fact that she never changed once during the entirety of the comic is worth something. Stuff like this does a fantastic job reminding the audience of it. Quote:
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As Hussie said in the formspring, the dreamself wounds are delayed. She probably went from not quite noticing them to being overwhelmed by the steadily growing pain.
You know, it's interesting. In both trying to kiss, and trying to kill Vriska, Tavros always seems to be a bit late in being ready to do what she once wanted him to do. I can't compete with the rant directly above me (edit: I mean two posts above me), but I do want to say something. The whole situation was basically a no-win situation for Tavros as well. Whatever he did and whatever Vriska did, there was no way he was getting out of that situation unscarred. If he'd killed her, then our resident pacifist would have to deal with that, probably without too much moral support from Vriska (or maybe she would've supported him: I can't quite get into Vriska's head enough to figure out how her attitude towards Tavros would've changed). If she'd manipul8ed him into killing her directly, then he still would've been traumatized. It's not like he can't see what he's doing when that happens. And the scenario that happened, him being made to write until he was writing with his own blood, clearly did a number on him, to the point where he chose to escape from reality by sleeping the rest of the session away. If it is true that there was no way for certain fans to not see Vriska's actions here as reprehensible, a lot of it has to do with the fact that any outcome would've been bad for Tavros. As for me, I'm no longer sure what I think of Vriska's actions, though I am leaning towards not approving, probably since this scenario seems premeditated on Vriska's part. I mean, obviously, she wasn't quite expecting a murderous Aradia, but it looks like she had a scenario like this planned, with Tavros as the one to kill her, because she had planned to reach the god tiers, powergamer that she is. It looks like she was trying to groom Tavros into something he's really not, and both of them suffered for it. |
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This was not angry Vriska because angry Vriska doesn't act anything like what she just acted like. Angry Vriska wouldn't have repeated herself. Angry Vriska wouldn't have made the words progressively larger, progressively more pleading. Angry Vriska doesn't plead at all. Angry Vriska doesn't freak out. Angry Vriska doesn't mentally scream in pain at someone she's controlling (see: Tavros writing out a 'aaaa' scream). This was in pain and freaking out Vriska. Quote:
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Her options were two-fold (after stopping Tavros from kissing her): Be resurrected as god tier, or be dead. If she didn't know him not killing her on the bed might lead to her not being resurrected it only makes her freak out even more justified as she's also coping with the possibility of ACTUALLY dying in that case.
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