Valve Mafia - "You are all incompetent cowards!" - Page 4

***Fenris*** · 05-22-2012, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sifright

I'm pretty sure it's because you've been mafia in every single mafia game that hasn't been bastardly.

Edit: It's terrible meta gamey as fuck reason to vote you, but i've nothing else and it's proven true so far.

I was the town-aligned roleblocker in Moogle's game.

Also town in all but like 3 games from before the return of mafia with Homestuck.

rpgdemon · 05-22-2012, 04:07 PM

Anyone who says "metagamey as fuck but I dun caaaare" is on my list.

My list of people who get voted.

BahamutFlare · 05-22-2012, 04:32 PM

Metagame is tolerable for a D1 thing. It can stir up discussion and stuff. I really really want to vote Arhra for the sole reason that she/he talked like Glados. Usually when I nitpick these smaller details, I've been correct. I imagine Glados to be scum since Glados is scum in the video game. Granted this is metagame too. But I'd be glad to see the response to these accusations.

Fenris: Since mafia started back up again though (which is to say most recent games), your streak has been mafia for the most part. The fact that you bring up things before Homestuck strikes me as irrelevant. Which seems like you're trying to misdirect.

***Fenris*** · 05-22-2012, 04:37 PM

BF: My role in those games prior to Homestuck is exactly as relevant as my role in the games post-Homestuck, that is to say, not at all relevant.

rpgdemon · 05-22-2012, 05:36 PM

Yeah, people seem to say, "I'M META!", when they're just making shit up, is my problem.

Like, "Oh, man, it's so meta that Fenris has, by complete chance, been scum a few times. I'm following that meta streak!"

No, you're not. There's NOTHING involved there that's remotely strategic, or using meta knowledge within the game.

Voting Fenris because he always wins for the scum, if he's on the scum, on the other hand, is at least justifiable. It's like, there's a finite chance that Fenris is scum, and if he is, we're going to lose. So, you have to weigh how useful to the town he is as town, versus how detrimental to the town he is as scum.

Rhiya Ravenwing · 05-22-2012, 07:18 PM

Mate, I forget to check NPF for ONE DAY and the thread explodes to four pages?!

I would like to point out here that Arhra initially yakked in chat before the game started that he'd - irregardless of his role - play like a fair dinkum GLaDOS.

Ryong · 05-22-2012, 07:41 PM

The only meta-vote I can think of is BahamutFlare because in the mafias that I saw, no one cared about him while he screwed everyone up. The risk of him being an important townie is too big to vote for him yet, though.

***Fenris*** · 05-22-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Voting Fenris because he always wins for the scum, if he's on the scum, on the other hand, is at least justifiable. It's like, there's a finite chance that Fenris is scum, and if he is, we're going to lose. So, you have to weigh how useful to the town he is as town, versus how detrimental to the town he is as scum.

I don't like this for all of the reasons. Even if I were some sort of super player who could always generate a scum victory (which I'm not), policy lynches are always shit and they're why I stopped playing mafia for a while.

rpgdemon · 05-22-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenris

I don't like this for all of the reasons. Even if I were some sort of super player who could always generate a scum victory (which I'm not), policy lynches are always shit and they're why I stopped playing mafia for a while.

I'm not saying to do it, I'm saying, I could see that mentality, instead of "HE WAS TOTALLY SCUM BEFORE METAGAMIN' IT GUYS!"

The reason I didn't advocate it is because it's a dick move that makes the game unfun. Policy lynches mean someone never gets to play, because they enjoy playing.

Ecks · 05-22-2012, 08:02 PM

four... pages?

oh thats right I have it set to like 80 posts per page

05-22-2012, 04:07 PM	#32
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Anyone who says "metagamey as fuck but I dun caaaare" is on my list. My list of people who get voted. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

05-22-2012, 04:37 PM	#34
*Fenris* Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Location: East Coast Posts: 6,806	BF: My role in those games prior to Homestuck is exactly as relevant as my role in the games post-Homestuck, that is to say, not at all relevant. __________________ "FENRIS IS AN ASSHOLE" - shiney

05-22-2012, 05:36 PM	#35
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Yeah, people seem to say, "I'M META!", when they're just making shit up, is my problem. Like, "Oh, man, it's so meta that Fenris has, by complete chance, been scum a few times. I'm following that meta streak!" No, you're not. There's NOTHING involved there that's remotely strategic, or using meta knowledge within the game. Voting Fenris because he always wins for the scum, if he's on the scum, on the other hand, is at least justifiable. It's like, there's a finite chance that Fenris is scum, and if he is, we're going to lose. So, you have to weigh how useful to the town he is as town, versus how detrimental to the town he is as scum. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

05-22-2012, 04:32 PM	#33
BahamutFlare Troopa Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: PA Posts: 34	Metagame is tolerable for a D1 thing. It can stir up discussion and stuff. I really really want to vote Arhra for the sole reason that she/he talked like Glados. Usually when I nitpick these smaller details, I've been correct. I imagine Glados to be scum since Glados is scum in the video game. Granted this is metagame too. But I'd be glad to see the response to these accusations. Fenris: Since mafia started back up again though (which is to say most recent games), your streak has been mafia for the most part. The fact that you bring up things before Homestuck strikes me as irrelevant. Which seems like you're trying to misdirect.

05-22-2012, 07:41 PM	#37
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	The only meta-vote I can think of is BahamutFlare because in the mafias that I saw, no one cared about him while he screwed everyone up. The risk of him being an important townie is too big to vote for him yet, though.