Christmas....I mean festivis - Page 4

Dona Maria · 12-23-2003, 02:07 PM

before I leave, I feel I just have to set the record straight: Santa Claus IS religious based.
Saint Nicholas was a Byzantine bishop that used to visit the homes of poor families during the Christmas hollidays and deliver gifts to those who couldn't afford anything. His outfit was a traditional red robe with white trim, which is where Santa Claus gets his outfit. Don't believe me? Go ask a Byzantine Catholic and they'll tell you all about it. Not being byzantine myself (Roman C) I don't know the whole scoop, but they should point you in the right direction.

PS: after reading all of your posts, I am grateful I went to private school for K-12

FunnyLooking · 12-23-2003, 02:52 PM

Yeah, but Saint Nicolas also died. Hence why he's a saint. Santa Claus hasn't died. Plus, you've got the whole Reindeer/North Pole/Elves thing too.

<Wait, it's NOT and extreamly religious holiday? Am I the only one that belives in God in this forum?>

Oh, well, in that case, it shouldn't be a national holiday. Nah, I'm kidding, it's seriously turned secular. Of course people such as yourself celebrate religiously. I've never celebrated it either way. However, due to the sheer nature of Christmas time it's difficult to say, don't you think?

<Now, some of you have valid complaints, like singing kwanza songs in school... that's no more right than forcing a buddhist to sing 'silent night' or 'hark the herald angels sing'. But that isn't right either.>

Whoa whoa whoa, doesn't that gravely decrease the amount of possible songs? I mean, there's tons of Christian hymns, and a lot of them are really good musically. So much of Choral music is Christian-based, and that's not a coincidence.

Krylo · 12-23-2003, 04:34 PM

Well... Let's see... There's Let it Snow, Deck the Halls, Frosty the Snowman, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, That thing about santa clause being on the rooftop with the click click click, Jingle Bells, 12 Days of Christmas, We Wish You a Merry Christmas, etc. etc. Of course, I really don't see the reason why we have to celebrate holidays in school. It's school. You go there to learn, not to sing christmas songs and drink egg nog... that's what annoying family gatherings are for. But, if you absolutely have to... those songs don't mention Jesus, and there are more.

! · 12-23-2003, 04:39 PM

I think that it was Constantine who created Christmas. He tried to unite the three major roman religions by stating that Christ was born on Saturnalia, the original holiday.

So merry Saturnalia, everyone!

FunnyLooking · 12-23-2003, 04:55 PM

I was talking more hymn-like stuff. Or actual choral music pieces. Not designated holiday songs. Like just Chorus songs. A lot of them mention something about God, Christ, the Creator, or the like. To say you can't use any of that is kind of ridiculous, don't you think? The Church made a lot of the Choral music that's used nowadays.

<So merry Saturnalia, everyone!>

Meh, Saturnalia takes way too long to say.

Krylo · 12-23-2003, 05:00 PM

Not really... they're hymn-like, and mention god because they're... RELIGIOUS HYMNS. Why do you need to sing that in school? It never bothered me much, but I know that an uber-christian parent would be bothered horribly if I told them their children would be singing muslim holiday songs, or kwanza songs, or chanaakuh songs... So why do we expect extremely religious people of other faiths to put up with christian songs?

FunnyLooking · 12-23-2003, 05:34 PM

<Why do you need to sing that in school?>

Uhh... what do you mean? Like Chorus class. It's a class for Chorus.

<So why do we expect extremely religious people of other faiths to put up with christian songs?>

Because we also expect christians to put up with other faiths, obviously. I never said it doesn't swing both ways. However, the church made a lot of Christian choral music, and a lot of it is very musical.

<Not really... they're hymn-like, and mention god because they're... RELIGIOUS HYMNS>

Not necessarily. That's kind of a blunt assumption. My point was that a religious hymn/choral song is still a choral song. You're constraining the art of music by saying none of it can have any religion in it.

Krylo · 12-23-2003, 06:21 PM

Well, Chorus is a bit of an... elective. I don't pretend to care what kind of crap they sing there, because children have to sign up for it and what have you. It's their own fault if religious music is rammed down their throats... AND, you have a good point about taking a chorus class and lots of chorus music being religious. I was talking about christmas concerts and elementary music classes, etc. Although, they should probably have a consent form, or a warning in the class description, so that children can account for that, and explain it to their over-zealous parents (if they have them).

FunnyLooking · 12-23-2003, 08:54 PM

"Mommy, you have to sign this."
"What's this?"
"It says we're going to sing music with religious content."
"Those conniving BASTARDS!"

But yeah, okay. I have no problem with that.

12-25-2003, 08:34 PM

Ask your school if you can sing this Christmas song....
------------------------
Merry Fucking Christmas
Performed By Mr. Garrison

Mr. Garrison: I heard there is no Christmas
In the silly Middle East
No trees, no snow, no Santa Claus
They have different religious beliefs

They believe in Muhammad
And not in our holiday
And so every December
I go to the Middle East and say...

"Hey there Mr. Muslim
Merry fucking Christmas
Put down that book the Koran
And hear some holiday wishes.

In case you haven't noticed
It's Jesus's birthday.
So get off your heathen Muslim ass
and fucking celebrate.

There is no holiday season in India I've heard
They don't hang up their stockings
And that is just absurd!

They've never read a Christmas story.
They don't know what Rudolph is about
And that is why in December
I'll go to India and shout...

Hey there Mr. Hinduist
Merry fucking Christmas
Drink eggnog and eat some beef
And pass it to the missus.

In case you haven't noticed
It's Jesus's birthday
So get off your heathen Hindu ass
and fucking celebrate!

Now I heard that in Japan
Everyone just lives in sin
They pray to several gods
And put needles in their skin.

On December 25th
All they do is eat a cake
And that is why I go to Japan
And walk around and say...

Hey there Mr. Shintoist
Merry fucking Christmas
God is going to kick your ass
You infidelic pagan scum.

In case you haven't noticed
There's festive things to do
So lets all rejoice for Jesus
And Merry fucking Christmas to you.

On Christmas day I travel `round the world and say,
Taoists, Krishnas, Buddhists, and all you atheists too,
Merry Fucking Christmas, To You!

(Clapping)

Thank you Mr. hat
----------------------

NOTE: These are South Park lyrics. Not mine. Don't flame me.

12-23-2003, 02:07 PM	#31
Dona Maria tastes like burning Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: somewhere orange Posts: 436	before I leave, I feel I just have to set the record straight: Santa Claus IS religious based. Saint Nicholas was a Byzantine bishop that used to visit the homes of poor families during the Christmas hollidays and deliver gifts to those who couldn't afford anything. His outfit was a traditional red robe with white trim, which is where Santa Claus gets his outfit. Don't believe me? Go ask a Byzantine Catholic and they'll tell you all about it. Not being byzantine myself (Roman C) I don't know the whole scoop, but they should point you in the right direction. PS: after reading all of your posts, I am grateful I went to private school for K-12 __________________ Between Christopher Marlow and William Shakespeare: Will: I wrote you another sonnet. Chris: No! How many times have I told you: No more sonnets! How many is that anyway? Will: About a hundred Last edited by DonaMaria; 12-23-2003 at 02:10 PM.

12-23-2003, 02:52 PM	#32
FunnyLooking Funny Looking Productions Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In Your House and Coming to Get You Posts: 431	Yeah, but Saint Nicolas also died. Hence why he's a saint. Santa Claus hasn't died. Plus, you've got the whole Reindeer/North Pole/Elves thing too. <Wait, it's NOT and extreamly religious holiday? Am I the only one that belives in God in this forum?> Oh, well, in that case, it shouldn't be a national holiday. Nah, I'm kidding, it's seriously turned secular. Of course people such as yourself celebrate religiously. I've never celebrated it either way. However, due to the sheer nature of Christmas time it's difficult to say, don't you think? <Now, some of you have valid complaints, like singing kwanza songs in school... that's no more right than forcing a buddhist to sing 'silent night' or 'hark the herald angels sing'. But that isn't right either.> Whoa whoa whoa, doesn't that gravely decrease the amount of possible songs? I mean, there's tons of Christian hymns, and a lot of them are really good musically. So much of Choral music is Christian-based, and that's not a coincidence. __________________ Mirrors Always Lie -Funny Looking Productions Sing me to Symmetry Muse of the Mathematic We worship all equations the simple and quadratic Algebra, Geometry, Set and Number Theory All admired equally In our Purgatory and Pathogorean secret society. -Fermat's Last Tango "The Aftermath

12-23-2003, 04:34 PM	#33
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Well... Let's see... There's Let it Snow, Deck the Halls, Frosty the Snowman, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, That thing about santa clause being on the rooftop with the click click click, Jingle Bells, 12 Days of Christmas, We Wish You a Merry Christmas, etc. etc. Of course, I really don't see the reason why we have to celebrate holidays in school. It's school. You go there to learn, not to sing christmas songs and drink egg nog... that's what annoying family gatherings are for. But, if you absolutely have to... those songs don't mention Jesus, and there are more. __________________ I am very tired.

12-23-2003, 04:39 PM	#34
! Hoorah for Shadow Flare! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yes Posts: 647	I think that it was Constantine who created Christmas. He tried to unite the three major roman religions by stating that Christ was born on Saturnalia, the original holiday. So merry Saturnalia, everyone! __________________ No more Blue Mage...

12-23-2003, 04:55 PM	#35
FunnyLooking Funny Looking Productions Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In Your House and Coming to Get You Posts: 431	I was talking more hymn-like stuff. Or actual choral music pieces. Not designated holiday songs. Like just Chorus songs. A lot of them mention something about God, Christ, the Creator, or the like. To say you can't use any of that is kind of ridiculous, don't you think? The Church made a lot of the Choral music that's used nowadays. <So merry Saturnalia, everyone!> Meh, Saturnalia takes way too long to say. __________________ Mirrors Always Lie -Funny Looking Productions Sing me to Symmetry Muse of the Mathematic We worship all equations the simple and quadratic Algebra, Geometry, Set and Number Theory All admired equally In our Purgatory and Pathogorean secret society. -Fermat's Last Tango "The Aftermath

12-23-2003, 05:00 PM	#36
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Not really... they're hymn-like, and mention god because they're... RELIGIOUS HYMNS. Why do you need to sing that in school? It never bothered me much, but I know that an uber-christian parent would be bothered horribly if I told them their children would be singing muslim holiday songs, or kwanza songs, or chanaakuh songs... So why do we expect extremely religious people of other faiths to put up with christian songs? __________________ I am very tired.

12-23-2003, 05:34 PM	#37
FunnyLooking Funny Looking Productions Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In Your House and Coming to Get You Posts: 431	<Why do you need to sing that in school?> Uhh... what do you mean? Like Chorus class. It's a class for Chorus. <So why do we expect extremely religious people of other faiths to put up with christian songs?> Because we also expect christians to put up with other faiths, obviously. I never said it doesn't swing both ways. However, the church made a lot of Christian choral music, and a lot of it is very musical. <Not really... they're hymn-like, and mention god because they're... RELIGIOUS HYMNS> Not necessarily. That's kind of a blunt assumption. My point was that a religious hymn/choral song is still a choral song. You're constraining the art of music by saying none of it can have any religion in it. __________________ Mirrors Always Lie -Funny Looking Productions Sing me to Symmetry Muse of the Mathematic We worship all equations the simple and quadratic Algebra, Geometry, Set and Number Theory All admired equally In our Purgatory and Pathogorean secret society. -Fermat's Last Tango "The Aftermath

12-23-2003, 06:21 PM	#38
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Well, Chorus is a bit of an... elective. I don't pretend to care what kind of crap they sing there, because children have to sign up for it and what have you. It's their own fault if religious music is rammed down their throats... AND, you have a good point about taking a chorus class and lots of chorus music being religious. I was talking about christmas concerts and elementary music classes, etc. Although, they should probably have a consent form, or a warning in the class description, so that children can account for that, and explain it to their over-zealous parents (if they have them). __________________ I am very tired.

12-23-2003, 08:54 PM	#39
FunnyLooking Funny Looking Productions Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: In Your House and Coming to Get You Posts: 431	"Mommy, you have to sign this." "What's this?" "It says we're going to sing music with religious content." "Those conniving BASTARDS!" But yeah, okay. I have no problem with that. __________________ Mirrors Always Lie -Funny Looking Productions Sing me to Symmetry Muse of the Mathematic We worship all equations the simple and quadratic Algebra, Geometry, Set and Number Theory All admired equally In our Purgatory and Pathogorean secret society. -Fermat's Last Tango "The Aftermath

12-25-2003, 08:34 PM	#40
GraphicAngel Guest Posts: n/a	Ask your school if you can sing this Christmas song.... ------------------------ Merry Fucking Christmas Performed By Mr. Garrison Mr. Garrison: I heard there is no Christmas In the silly Middle East No trees, no snow, no Santa Claus They have different religious beliefs They believe in Muhammad And not in our holiday And so every December I go to the Middle East and say... "Hey there Mr. Muslim Merry fucking Christmas Put down that book the Koran And hear some holiday wishes. In case you haven't noticed It's Jesus's birthday. So get off your heathen Muslim ass and fucking celebrate. There is no holiday season in India I've heard They don't hang up their stockings And that is just absurd! They've never read a Christmas story. They don't know what Rudolph is about And that is why in December I'll go to India and shout... Hey there Mr. Hinduist Merry fucking Christmas Drink eggnog and eat some beef And pass it to the missus. In case you haven't noticed It's Jesus's birthday So get off your heathen Hindu ass and fucking celebrate! Now I heard that in Japan Everyone just lives in sin They pray to several gods And put needles in their skin. On December 25th All they do is eat a cake And that is why I go to Japan And walk around and say... Hey there Mr. Shintoist Merry fucking Christmas God is going to kick your ass You infidelic pagan scum. In case you haven't noticed There's festive things to do So lets all rejoice for Jesus And Merry fucking Christmas to you. On Christmas day I travel `round the world and say, Taoists, Krishnas, Buddhists, and all you atheists too, Merry Fucking Christmas, To You! (Clapping) Thank you Mr. hat ---------------------- NOTE: These are South Park lyrics. Not mine. Don't flame me.