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Unread 06-27-2005, 10:02 PM   #31
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'm pretty sure he made points about how he hates heroes "dying" for cheap drama and then coming back later through some time loophole/resurrection/alternate dimension/"he never really died."
Brian did it a thousand times in the comics. Whenever someone dies in a fantasy, I never expect them to come back; I come to terms with their deaths. And most fantasy writers honor that the character died, and doesn't bring them back. Brian, however, makes his heroes die, or supposedly die, and come back a thousand times over. The reason everyone was so baffled at Black Belt's lack of returning was that this was probably the 1001th death Brian did, and it just happens to be a real death. The same reason I was baffled when South Park did an entire season of Kenny actually being dead, after having died the last episode of the last season.
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Unread 06-27-2005, 10:21 PM   #32
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Popularity brings charachters back to life; unpopularity kills em off.

So the more popular the charachter, the better chance he has of never pernamently dying.

EDIT: Fixed a spelling error.

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Unread 06-27-2005, 10:24 PM   #33
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The other facet of death/ressurection in 8-bit is that, if a hero is able to come back to life, there's a logical reason for it, not just "He didn't really kill them, it was an evil parasite in his mind, and now that he's defeated it, he's a hero again." For example, the death of black mage. Black mage dies, he goes to hell, and he takes over hell. Everything is in character, the cause/effect is probable, and it serves to further the storyline (Lich becomes hell king, which explains why they fight them again before fighting chaos). The point is, when Brian kills a character, they still serve a purpose.
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Unread 06-27-2005, 11:53 PM   #34
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Black belt got what he deserved! Spending so much time with WM when BM should have been with her. Plus anyone who has such a horrible sense of direction would never be able to find his way back from the nether world, even if he was offered a ressurection spell.
Unless of course, Black Belt was wandering around in the afterlife and was looking for the nearest ice cream store and found the exit back to our earth.

Or maybe he was looking for said ice cream store and just ripped a hole in space time and returns with a little halo like in DBZ.

*hammered*

Ok, bad ideas that must never come to pass, but knowing this comic, it's probably possible.

And I'm pretty sure that statue BB got disolved in teh over powerful toxicness of the Mountain Dew.

BB is NOT a rip of Fighter. BB is (or was) actually intelectually smart, he just makes himself look stupid because he gets lost and tries to give a reason. Said reasons are never good ones. Take his case in point of his discussion with WM about the pressure points on a spider, and you see he actually thinks alot like we do as long as direction and geography don't interfear.
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Unread 06-28-2005, 12:11 AM   #35
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Hmmm.

Fighter = one track mind

BB = Too many tracks to keep track of?

Just a thought.
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Unread 06-28-2005, 12:58 AM   #36
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Brian did it a thousand times in the comics.
I think you're confusing comedy "death" with actual death. Myst's reply is right on the money.
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You know, it's been establish that there are more than one than one "Fighter" going around and more "Red Mages". Maybe there could be more than one "Black Belts".

The Black Belt we know and love is dead, doesn't mean Brain can't bring in another Black Belt...
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Unread 06-28-2005, 08:54 AM   #38
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I think you're confusing comedy "death" with actual death. Myst's reply is right on the money.

What about Garland? He came back to life, possibly twice.

First time: Blackbelt beat him to a pulp.

Second Time(?): He drowned after being pushed off Bikke's ship(?).

Each time, he came back more powerfull with no logical explination, other than the fact that Garland is a primary villan.

Oh, and Drizzel and Vilbert also came back to life too. No explination behind that.
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Unread 06-28-2005, 12:57 PM   #39
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What about Garland? He came back to life, possibly twice.

First time: Blackbelt beat him to a pulp.

Second Time(?): He drowned after being pushed off Bikke's ship(?).

Each time, he came back more powerfull with no logical explination, other than the fact that Garland is a primary villan.

Oh, and Drizzel and Vilbert also came back to life too. No explination behind that.
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First time: Beat to a pulp is the key word. Being beaten unconcious and killed are two different things. Second, this would be a comedy death, as it served to satire the 'villain respawn' where you fight them half a dozen times before you can kill them, and each time they've gained more hit points and attacks (Kefka is a good example).

Second time: He was pushed off of a boat, but does it ever explicitly state he drowned? Most likely, something completely innocuous (sp?), such as Bikke pulling him out of the water, could have occured.

Drizzle: He was brutally mob stabbed, they didn't bother to make sure he was dead.

Vilbert: Black Mage said it himself, "Either his heart or his gothicular membrane..." So, apparently they just punctured the latter, rendering him speechless, until the armoire was removed.
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Unread 06-28-2005, 02:58 PM   #40
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Well, I know you're justified in bringing all the characters back. I'm just saying that everybody was baffled when BB didn't return, because know it was you, it just seemed so likely that he wouldn't be put off for good.

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BB is NOT a rip of Fighter. BB is (or was) actually intelectually smart, he just makes himself look stupid because he gets lost and tries to give a reason. Said reasons are never good ones. Take his case in point of his discussion with WM about the pressure points on a spider, and you see he actually thinks alot like we do as long as direction and geography don't interfear.
No, see, Black Belt got lost in a straight hall. The architecture of a straight line baffled him so much that he saw it exactly as complex as we would see any four-dimensional dungeon (since we couldn't possibly comprehend it), and as Red Mage discovered, your psychology has a direct effect on the complexities of working physics in your surroundings (in the 8-Bit world, of course; if it was the same here, life would be ridiculous), and thus, Black Belt was enveloped in a pocket of space-time, breeching the forth dimension, and being spat out seconds earlier, to duplicate himself. The fact that his psychology did that much whilst in a straight line makes him incredibly stupid, and mathematically incoherent. He can still make full sentences and speak properly. Meanwhile, Fighter is a mathematical genius, but gets stumped in the simplest of conversations. You could use that to say they're the opposite, but I said that he's a ripoff, because there's many similarities between the way Fighter pisses Black Mage off, and BB pisses White Mage off.
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