Nice Comment about how anime has gone "down hill" over the years - Page 4

Aerozord · 09-26-2006, 01:07 AM

reason is because they started the anime before the manga was completed. So they used the fillers so the manga-ka could produce more books which could then be made into anime. That is also why only the first two or three episodes of Hellsing match the manga.

Eltargrim · 09-27-2006, 07:38 PM

And why the FMA anime went in a different direction than the manga (Which I actually appreciate; I've read/watched both, and I liked not automatically not knowing what would happen).

Majin Darshe · 09-28-2006, 11:07 AM

As I've said before, The Bount arc is NOWHERE near as bad as most filler-arcs. Hell, I'll go and say that it's quite good in fact.

Naruto on the other hand...it's on it's way to get cancelled EXACTLY like Rurouni Kenshin did, take my word for it.

And splitting away from the manga is the best thing the FMA anime ever did, and I asure you that you won't hear me say THAT sort of thing often.

God I hate Ling...

Vaij · 09-28-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord

In yugioh they cut out the entire first season because they found it to be too violent. Basically in the first season Yugi just went around killing people or mentally torturing them to the point that they want to die. All the violence and sex was removed, nearly every card edited, not to mention the swearing and blood.

In fact the card game is actually pretty minor. They just cut out pretty much everything else. The show was originally about an evil 5000 year old spirit called yu-gi-oh (roughly translating into king of games). Everytime someone wronged Yugi the spirit took over and challenged them to a game. When they lose they suffer a penalty game. These range from being set on fire, ever lasting illusions, death, being cut off from sight and sound, being eaten alive, ect. Want to know what really happened when Kiaba lost? Yugi made all the monsters in his deck come to life and devour him, he then regenerated and they did it again and again. I think it lasted a month. He litterally went insane from the pain.

Unfortunately the show went from that to a show about happy friendship and playing cards. Truth is just about every time someone lost to Yugi they were dead, or wishing they were. One of my faorites was Yugi trapped someones soul in a jar where it was devoured for 3 months by 25 dragons untill it no longer existed.

Yu-gi-oh is meant for high school age group, not ten year olds. And now you know why we all hate 4kids

THAT sounds fucking badass. I am so buying those DVDs.

Anyway, I think that the fact that kids are the major anime-watching audience in America really tends to kill any hope of watching an anime show at a sane hour that doesn't make one want to vomit. However, anything I have to say is kind of a moot point, as I currently don't live in America.

Majin Darshe · 09-28-2006, 07:14 PM

Honestly Aerozord, with all due respect I don't think uncut Yugioh is anywhere NEAR as graphicor disturbing as you make it sound, even in the later seasons and the Memory arc. And quite honestly none of that can really save the show, or erase the fact that it's still a show based on a card game

Aerozord · 09-29-2006, 01:34 PM

but its not about a card game, they cut out everything that wasn't about it. Granted the anime is still tame compared to the manga. But the most violent arc, season 0, was never even aired which really ticks me off. And the most tame season (season 1) is the only one you can actually get uncut. Yu-gi-oh isn't violent in the same way most anime are. Its not blood and gore, but horrible mental torture people are subject to.

Now that I think about it, Memory arc wasn't really that cut up. But I wish I could have seen Bakura turn those bandits into red paint.

Sesshoumaru · 09-29-2006, 06:20 PM

I'm gonna be a jerk of techniqality here, but the "Season 0" of Yu-GI-Oh your talking about is a completly seperate series (hence the reason the animation is different, and Kaiba has green hair). It was based on the first 7 (I think) volumes of the manga. The reason it wasn't aired in the US is because no one's licensed it yet. And yes, it is mostly about Yami mentally torturing people with shadow magic.

*I beleive it was called the 'Shadow Games' arc.

Majin Darshe · 09-30-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord

but its not about a card game, they cut out everything that wasn't about it. Granted the anime is still tame compared to the manga. But the most violent arc, season 0, was never even aired which really ticks me off. And the most tame season (season 1) is the only one you can actually get uncut. Yu-gi-oh isn't violent in the same way most anime are. Its not blood and gore, but horrible mental torture people are subject to.

Now that I think about it, Memory arc wasn't really that cut up. But I wish I could have seen Bakura turn those bandits into red paint.

And what I'm saying is that even the "mental torture" isn't even that impressive. "Oh no, I'm falling into a pit of monsters!" or "Oh no, my chair is eating me!" or "Oh no, I've been set on fire!" Really, all of "season 0" is just a lame nerd revenge fantasy, and things just get worst once the show focuses on cards (and don't say it doesn't. When there is a card game in almost every episode, the show is about cards)

Mirai Gen · 09-30-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Majin Darshe

Well...thank you for all of that, although I don't really think it adds much to this discussion, since I believe that the entire point of this topic is that there IS more anime out there than the shows you are mentioning...

I just needed to get that out.

I don't watch anime terribly much. There were a few movies of anime I saw a long time ago, but other than that I don't do much "Sit and watch" entertainment.

Except Transformers. But it's neccesary.

Magus · 10-01-2006, 12:30 AM

Well, I like Escaflowne and Cowboy Bebop...AND Fullmetal Alchemist and whatever (I'm pretty much obsessed with FMA at the mo', I hope another anime pops up somehow because I'm starting to get bored with it). I like good anime and don't like crappy anime. All there is to it. Basically it has to 1. have good animation 2. everything else follows because usually if it has good animation it means they have a good budget means they have a talented writer, artists, etc.

This is not always true. I hate NGE. Then again a lot of people do. I hate Naruto and all of these other 4Kids abominations, though. I'm sure the original is SOMEWHAT better, but seriously, they can't be that much better. It just seems like the animes that have a good plot and characters end up having good animation, as well. It's not ALWAYS true (I like some of those older animes that are all stilty looking, Slayers, anyone?), but it's usually true.

I'm glad Fullmetal Alchemist got picked up by Adult Swim and wasn't edited, because being somewhat cartoony looking instead of heavily realistic looking it was a prime candidate for a 4Kids makeover, because if it looks cartoony then it the plot must cartoony and prime for kids, right? Gah. Not that they can't do that with other animes, but usually the more realistic they look the less chance they'll try and edit them to death (Outlaw Star got edited ENOUGH, but it was still fairly good, for example. Same for DBZ, as good as DBZ can be, I mean, I hate DBZ now, but as far as the actual anime edit went they did still punch and kick each other).

An 4Kids Elfen Lied edit would be hilarious, by the way. I'd almost wish they'd abominate it just so I could see how the heck they'd do it. B^)

Really, in the yesteryear, before 4Kids existed, anime edits were fine. I watched Escaflowne, and all they really edited was whatever swearing and some of the blood. It was still the same thing. Same with Outlaw Star and all the other animes I watched when I was a kid. Then 4Kids comes along and ruins everything.

09-26-2006, 01:07 AM	#31
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	reason is because they started the anime before the manga was completed. So they used the fillers so the manga-ka could produce more books which could then be made into anime. That is also why only the first two or three episodes of Hellsing match the manga. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

09-27-2006, 07:38 PM	#32
Eltargrim Fifty-Talents Haversham Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: FABULOUS Posts: 1,904	And why the FMA anime went in a different direction than the manga (Which I actually appreciate; I've read/watched both, and I liked not automatically not knowing what would happen). __________________ <Insert witticism here; get credit; ???; profit!>

09-29-2006, 01:34 PM	#36
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	but its not about a card game, they cut out everything that wasn't about it. Granted the anime is still tame compared to the manga. But the most violent arc, season 0, was never even aired which really ticks me off. And the most tame season (season 1) is the only one you can actually get uncut. Yu-gi-oh isn't violent in the same way most anime are. Its not blood and gore, but horrible mental torture people are subject to. Now that I think about it, Memory arc wasn't really that cut up. But I wish I could have seen Bakura turn those bandits into red paint. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

09-29-2006, 06:20 PM	#37
Sesshoumaru Tyrannus Rex Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 616	I'm gonna be a jerk of techniqality here, but the "Season 0" of Yu-GI-Oh your talking about is a completly seperate series (hence the reason the animation is different, and Kaiba has green hair). It was based on the first 7 (I think) volumes of the manga. The reason it wasn't aired in the US is because no one's licensed it yet. And yes, it is mostly about Yami mentally torturing people with shadow magic. *I beleive it was called the 'Shadow Games' arc. __________________ "The Second Amendment is about ensuring the rights of the citizen to be armed, despite [not at] the whims of government or State bureaucracy" "Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready." -Theodore Roosevelt: San Francisco CA, May 13, 1903 "We are all citizens, not a one among us is a serf, and we damn well better remember it"

09-28-2006, 11:07 AM	#33
Majin Darshe Shyguy Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 189	As I've said before, The Bount arc is NOWHERE near as bad as most filler-arcs. Hell, I'll go and say that it's quite good in fact. Naruto on the other hand...it's on it's way to get cancelled EXACTLY like Rurouni Kenshin did, take my word for it. And splitting away from the manga is the best thing the FMA anime ever did, and I asure you that you won't hear me say THAT sort of thing often. God I hate Ling...

09-28-2006, 07:14 PM	#35
Majin Darshe Shyguy Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 189	Honestly Aerozord, with all due respect I don't think uncut Yugioh is anywhere NEAR as graphicor disturbing as you make it sound, even in the later seasons and the Memory arc. And quite honestly none of that can really save the show, or erase the fact that it's still a show based on a card game

10-01-2006, 12:30 AM	#40
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Well, I like Escaflowne and Cowboy Bebop...AND Fullmetal Alchemist and whatever (I'm pretty much obsessed with FMA at the mo', I hope another anime pops up somehow because I'm starting to get bored with it). I like good anime and don't like crappy anime. All there is to it. Basically it has to 1. have good animation 2. everything else follows because usually if it has good animation it means they have a good budget means they have a talented writer, artists, etc. This is not always true. I hate NGE. Then again a lot of people do. I hate Naruto and all of these other 4Kids abominations, though. I'm sure the original is SOMEWHAT better, but seriously, they can't be that much better. It just seems like the animes that have a good plot and characters end up having good animation, as well. It's not ALWAYS true (I like some of those older animes that are all stilty looking, Slayers, anyone?), but it's usually true. I'm glad Fullmetal Alchemist got picked up by Adult Swim and wasn't edited, because being somewhat cartoony looking instead of heavily realistic looking it was a prime candidate for a 4Kids makeover, because if it looks cartoony then it the plot must cartoony and prime for kids, right? Gah. Not that they can't do that with other animes, but usually the more realistic they look the less chance they'll try and edit them to death (Outlaw Star got edited ENOUGH, but it was still fairly good, for example. Same for DBZ, as good as DBZ can be, I mean, I hate DBZ now, but as far as the actual anime edit went they did still punch and kick each other). An 4Kids Elfen Lied edit would be hilarious, by the way. I'd almost wish they'd abominate it just so I could see how the heck they'd do it. B^) Really, in the yesteryear, before 4Kids existed, anime edits were fine. I watched Escaflowne, and all they really edited was whatever swearing and some of the blood. It was still the same thing. Same with Outlaw Star and all the other animes I watched when I was a kid. Then 4Kids comes along and ruins everything.