Heroes - Page 4

ArlanKels · 10-10-2006, 04:36 PM

They have super powers...but some of them seem to have the worst powers ever.

Like the Japanese guy and the mirror girl. Horrible powers. Even the "Invulnerability" power is flawed and somewhat iffy, and definitely not something I would use to save the day.

Roy_D_Mylote · 10-10-2006, 07:51 PM

Huhwhat? Hiro has the most powerful...power in the universe! TIME. CONTROL. OF.

ArlanKels · 10-10-2006, 08:41 PM

Time control is the worst power possible, actually, as it allows for the writers to commit wanton acts of laziness in figuring out ways out of a situation.

Which they're already doing with Mirror Girl anyways...

The entire Heroes cast either have crappy versions of awesome powers, out of control powers or overpowered powers.

Thus the powers for Heroes are the worst imaginable.

It's kind of like Superman...except without the heat vision.

If nobody minds, I shall get into specifics(Spoilers ahoy for those who do not know the powers yet!)

The Cheerleader has a Healing Factor, not invulnerability as so many people tried to shove off on me. Her "Healing Factor" does not protect her from pain. Imagine Wolverine without any sort of combat training, physical capabilities, claws...nothing but his healing ability. That's it.
Useful for preserving your life, but overall? Noooottt so good. We don't even have to bother talking about her character as a whole, which irritates me(And from what I read some others in this thread).

The Japanese Guy can control time and space? He can bend it to his will? Well, it's a bit out of his control(He teleported, but also went significantly ahead in time, then teleported back and went back in time). Either this means he has a horribly uncontrollable super awesome power, or he has a crappy power that looks powerful. If it ends up being a need of training then you'll see rapidly that this could prove a big issue for the entire series, as he could simply skip back in time to negate an entire storyline. Season 2 begins with him doing this. Repeat Season 1 except with some changes.

The Cop has psychic powers. He can read thoughts. This is actually not an overpowered power, a power in need of training(as he picks up on doing it pretty darn fast), or a weak power. It's an issue of stupidity of the character.

Mirror Girl has an evil mirror twin who can manipulate things in the real world. Appearantly she can do this all pretty quickly, and I don't know if it's any time she wants or specifically when MG is knocked out...but isn't it astounding how things end up in all sorts of weird places almost as though they were just placed there? The writers obviously will/can use this to do whatever they want. She gets locked up? Instantly has the key to get out! She gets attacked? Blacks out, wakes up and she's fine and they're not. Get the idea?

I just...ugh.

You know?

Mike McC · 10-10-2006, 09:33 PM

Well, I think it's implied that they don't really have a grasp on thier powers yet, as they just discovered they had them. Also, for Mirror Girl, it seems to work more like a multiple personality than a doppleganger. Especially since she lost time in the second episode (about four hours) without being knocked out or anything, she just watched the video and then bam, 4 hours gone, and she's somewhere else.

As for the potential, look at what Sylar seems to be able to do without too much difficulty.

Tydeus · 10-10-2006, 09:39 PM

So, last night was the first time I saw this show, and, well, I'll definitely be watching again.

The only thing that irked me about the powers was how totally ridiculous they are, from a scientific standpoint. I mean, yeah, most superheroes are, but, they had excuses.

In the '60s, nuclear reactions were this terrifying thing that had ballooned in people's minds into some terrible, all-powerful force capable of obliterating the whole world. Understandably, a lot of 50s and 60s era superheroes got ridiculous powers from radioactivity.

And, as to X-men and other genetically-derived superheroes, they also came along when genetics was relatively new to the public eye, and not very well understood (to the public, I mean). Again, a seemingly limitless, totally over-hyped "science of the future" kind of deal.

But, for fuck's sake, it's 2006! I think most people now know that you can't get the power to stop fucking time from "evolving." OK, NBC? Stopping time never made sense, ever, especially when it happens via genetics. That's pretty much as absurd as it gets. I mean, basic physics, people.

Same goes for flying. I mean, WTF? Where does all that energy come from? What's the propulsion system? How does he generate fucking lift?

Although, considering how many people believe in the Christian conception of God, I guess conservation of mass and energy, and the universality of physical laws don't really enter into most Americans' minds in a given day.

But, all that can be ignored, and overall, I enjoyed the show. Just the total absurdity of the powers irks me. It's the 21st century -- we should be able to do better.

Roy_D_Mylote · 10-10-2006, 10:12 PM

Greg (MrGWilliams) says the same thing, about the powers.

Personally I don't give two shits how they got their powers. I just like to see Peter Petrelli flying and Hiro making time shut up for a "minute".

Fifthfiend · 10-17-2006, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_Like_Swordchucks

When I was little I used to pray to God to make me a superhero (that didn't work, btw).

Shit, I still do that.

Tydeus · 10-17-2006, 01:36 AM

OK, was anyone else struck by how badass futre-Hiro is? With the soul-patch, sword, and samurai outfit? Did anyone else envision a Terminator-style future, where Hiro happens to be a super-badass (I mean, his power basically trumps every other power ever. Can cheerleader girl heal a decipation by katana? I think not.).

I mean, if anyone is to become a raging badass, it should be Hiro, because he is the target audience. We identify with him, thus, he must be the coolest -- it's just good pandering.

Anyway, I'm going to have to watch every single episode of Heroes until I see Hiro katana someone in the blink of an eye. It'd be totally anime-style, you know, how they slice someone, and they don't even notice at first? That's future Hiro -- or it should be, anyway.

Nedless to say, I'm excited.

Piccollende · 10-17-2006, 04:54 AM

Personally, I'm lovin' this show. Between Pete, the Cop, Sharesh, and Super Hiro Bad-ass, Time-stop Ninja, I'm happy for at least 65% of the show. Though the cheerleader and the mirror chick annoy the crap outta me, the mirror lady less so, for the same reason I don't say bad stuff about vampires, Sure they may not exist, but why take unnecessery risks? But the brother needs to suffer some sort of dibilitating injury unrelated to the stick wedged firmly betwix his nether-regions...

As a side note, upon hearing "save the Cheerleader, Save the World" am I the only one that had super mario flashbacks?

Roy_D_Mylote · 10-17-2006, 04:33 PM

Wow. I mean. Wow. Pete get it on.

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10-10-2006, 10:12 PM	#36
Roy_D_Mylote Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The sky. Posts: 1,030	Greg (MrGWilliams) says the same thing, about the powers. Personally I don't give two shits how they got their powers. I just like to see Peter Petrelli flying and Hiro making time shut up for a "minute". __________________ I hate roleclaims.

10-17-2006, 01:36 AM	#38
Tydeus Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: L.A. Sprawl Posts: 589	OK, was anyone else struck by how badass futre-Hiro is? With the soul-patch, sword, and samurai outfit? Did anyone else envision a Terminator-style future, where Hiro happens to be a super-badass (I mean, his power basically trumps every other power ever. Can cheerleader girl heal a decipation by katana? I think not.). I mean, if anyone is to become a raging badass, it should be Hiro, because he is the target audience. We identify with him, thus, he must be the coolest -- it's just good pandering. Anyway, I'm going to have to watch every single episode of Heroes until I see Hiro katana someone in the blink of an eye. It'd be totally anime-style, you know, how they slice someone, and they don't even notice at first? That's future Hiro -- or it should be, anyway. Nedless to say, I'm excited. Last edited by Tydeus; 10-17-2006 at 07:11 PM.

10-17-2006, 04:54 AM	#39
Piccollende Niiiiice. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The dark side of the universe, Mississippi Posts: 13	Personally, I'm lovin' this show. Between Pete, the Cop, Sharesh, and Super Hiro Bad-ass, Time-stop Ninja, I'm happy for at least 65% of the show. Though the cheerleader and the mirror chick annoy the crap outta me, the mirror lady less so, for the same reason I don't say bad stuff about vampires, Sure they may not exist, but why take unnecessery risks? But the brother needs to suffer some sort of dibilitating injury unrelated to the stick wedged firmly betwix his nether-regions... As a side note, upon hearing "save the Cheerleader, Save the World" am I the only one that had super mario flashbacks? __________________ 4 years of lurking and this is the best name I could manage?

10-10-2006, 04:36 PM	#31
ArlanKels <-- Pickle Eater Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,244	They have super powers...but some of them seem to have the worst powers ever. Like the Japanese guy and the mirror girl. Horrible powers. Even the "Invulnerability" power is flawed and somewhat iffy, and definitely not something I would use to save the day.

10-10-2006, 08:41 PM	#33
ArlanKels <-- Pickle Eater Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,244	Time control is the worst power possible, actually, as it allows for the writers to commit wanton acts of laziness in figuring out ways out of a situation. Which they're already doing with Mirror Girl anyways... The entire Heroes cast either have crappy versions of awesome powers, out of control powers or overpowered powers. Thus the powers for Heroes are the worst imaginable. It's kind of like Superman...except without the heat vision. If nobody minds, I shall get into specifics(Spoilers ahoy for those who do not know the powers yet!) The Cheerleader has a Healing Factor, not invulnerability as so many people tried to shove off on me. Her "Healing Factor" does not protect her from pain. Imagine Wolverine without any sort of combat training, physical capabilities, claws...nothing but his healing ability. That's it. Useful for preserving your life, but overall? Noooottt so good. We don't even have to bother talking about her character as a whole, which irritates me(And from what I read some others in this thread). The Japanese Guy can control time and space? He can bend it to his will? Well, it's a bit out of his control(He teleported, but also went significantly ahead in time, then teleported back and went back in time). Either this means he has a horribly uncontrollable super awesome power, or he has a crappy power that looks powerful. If it ends up being a need of training then you'll see rapidly that this could prove a big issue for the entire series, as he could simply skip back in time to negate an entire storyline. Season 2 begins with him doing this. Repeat Season 1 except with some changes. The Cop has psychic powers. He can read thoughts. This is actually not an overpowered power, a power in need of training(as he picks up on doing it pretty darn fast), or a weak power. It's an issue of stupidity of the character. Mirror Girl has an evil mirror twin who can manipulate things in the real world. Appearantly she can do this all pretty quickly, and I don't know if it's any time she wants or specifically when MG is knocked out...but isn't it astounding how things end up in all sorts of weird places almost as though they were just placed there? The writers obviously will/can use this to do whatever they want. She gets locked up? Instantly has the key to get out! She gets attacked? Blacks out, wakes up and she's fine and they're not. Get the idea? I just...ugh. You know?

10-10-2006, 09:39 PM	#35
Tydeus Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: L.A. Sprawl Posts: 589	So, last night was the first time I saw this show, and, well, I'll definitely be watching again. The only thing that irked me about the powers was how totally ridiculous they are, from a scientific standpoint. I mean, yeah, most superheroes are, but, they had excuses. In the '60s, nuclear reactions were this terrifying thing that had ballooned in people's minds into some terrible, all-powerful force capable of obliterating the whole world. Understandably, a lot of 50s and 60s era superheroes got ridiculous powers from radioactivity. And, as to X-men and other genetically-derived superheroes, they also came along when genetics was relatively new to the public eye, and not very well understood (to the public, I mean). Again, a seemingly limitless, totally over-hyped "science of the future" kind of deal. But, for fuck's sake, it's 2006! I think most people now know that you can't get the power to stop fucking time from "evolving." OK, NBC? Stopping time never made sense, ever, especially when it happens via genetics. That's pretty much as absurd as it gets. I mean, basic physics, people. Same goes for flying. I mean, WTF? Where does all that energy come from? What's the propulsion system? How does he generate fucking lift? Although, considering how many people believe in the Christian conception of God, I guess conservation of mass and energy, and the universality of physical laws don't really enter into most Americans' minds in a given day. But, all that can be ignored, and overall, I enjoyed the show. Just the total absurdity of the powers irks me. It's the 21st century -- we should be able to do better.

10-17-2006, 04:33 PM	#40
Roy_D_Mylote Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The sky. Posts: 1,030	Wow. I mean. Wow. Pete get it on. __________________ I hate roleclaims.