Jet Helm Required! The Lufia 2 Let's Play - Page 4

Kim · 08-26-2009, 03:49 AM

Chapter Six: Survival

Part Twenty-Eight

Part Twenty-Nine

Montage

Summary - I grab the key after hitting the obvious switch. Also rearrange my party and rename my Fire Type Pokemon to Entei. Then I go fight the boss. I die. (In my defense I was playing it stupidly because I go into noob mode when Let's Playing. Won't make that mistake again.) Then we have the best training montage ever.

Krylo · 08-26-2009, 05:30 AM

So I started playing again. Just beat Gades, on a normal 1x exp play through, no glitching, off the cart.

To help you out if you decide to kick his ass for the LP, here's my levels:
Maxis-32
Guy-31
Selan-30
Tia-32

I barely made it through. Tia and Selan would be left in the teens, maybe twenties, sometimes even single digits after Gades attacked. This was with multiple layers of bravery on to increase my defense. It also took two sluggishes off the jet helm, plus a fake from the speed ring, and a fleet from from the kite shield for each character before we were able to move before Gades, so the first few rounds were extremely touch and go. Had to use two miracles, actually.

I'd suggest getting up another couple levels, and farming armor goblins for a second jet helm so you can drop two sluggishes in the first round and maybe with a few levels under your belt that plus a single fake can get you up to speed (or at least get TIA up to speed, so she can do some healing).

Anyway, for the battle we got 50k xp and gp, along with Gades Sword. Gades Sword has 200 ATP and the IP Octo-Strike to attack a single enemy eight times. It can be equipped by Guy.

After the battle Maxim Tia and Selan each gained one level. Guy gained two. Somehow. Musta been really close to level or something.

Oh, and at those levels Tia is pretty much useless except for the fact that she's fast. Selan can heal better than she can, and do more damage, and... yeah.

OOOOONNNNE MORE THING!

Your fire type has much better stats than your neutral type at equal level, except for GUTS, but for pets that just means your neutral type won't run away. If you've done any grinding at all you shouldn't have a problem, either way. I've only had Blaze run away after bosses have severely damaged him.

Edit: And I forgot that Guy leaves your party right after and takes all his shit with him. Damn, now I can't give it to Dekar when I get him.

Edit 2: Your best place for xp per hour for the grind is right outside of Parcelyte. You can occassionally fight groups of red cubes. They have about 200 agility and tend to run, but if they don't run they only have 10 hp and can be hurt by magic. They're worth 2222 xp a piece. The best xp you can get otherwise is about half that, and isn't as reliable, in Gades tower. Armor goblins are also common there--and they have a chance to drop the Jet Helm.

A Zarkin' Frood · 08-26-2009, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

Chapter Six: Survival
Summary - I grab the key after hitting the obvious switch. Also rearrange my party and rename my Fire Type Pokemon to Entei. Then I go fight the boss. I die. (In my defense I was playing it stupidly because I go into noob mode when Let's Playing. Won't make that mistake again.) Then we have the best training montage ever.

The spider boss is the first asshole-boss in the game.
It's pretty tough. You might want to kill his companions a bit more often, but that's up to you. And use the item attacks more frequently, especially Tia's aqua whip one in that case.

But after a training Montage it should be impossible to lose anyway, unless you losing is crucial to the plot. Which it isn't.

Krylo · 08-26-2009, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by InsaneGenius

The spider boss is the first asshole-boss in the game.
It's pretty tough. You might want to kill his companions a bit more often, but that's up to you. And use the item attacks more frequently, especially Tia's aqua whip one in that case.

But after a training Montage it should be impossible to lose anyway, unless you losing is crucial to the plot. Which it isn't.

I've been bulldozing everything... but then I have a policy of "if it moves it dies". Doesn't matter how many times I re-enter an area.

I find that it keeps you at a pretty good (slightly high) level without feeling overly grindy.

Kim · 08-26-2009, 05:55 AM

Thanks for the tips, Krylo. Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by InsaneGenius

The spider boss is the first asshole-boss in the game.
It's pretty tough. You might want to kill his companions a bit more often, but that's up to you. And use the item attacks more frequently, especially Tia's aqua whip one in that case.

Because she's the caster, I'm always inclined to assume the only good thing she can do is cast Strong, Gale, or Flash, even though I've seen several times before that that isn't the case. :/ I'll probably have Guy use Immobilize more too, since that seemed to do a fair amount of damage to all foes, and I'm hoping it might at least paralyze the mini-spiders if it doesn't kill them.

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But after a training Montage it should be impossible to lose anyway, unless you losing is crucial to the plot. Which it isn't.

Well, Entei evolved and everyone is about four levels higher than they were. I think I should be good to go.

Julford Hajime · 08-26-2009, 02:34 PM

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Edit 2: Your best place for xp per hour for the grind is right outside of Parcelyte. You can occassionally fight groups of red cubes. They have about 200 agility and tend to run, but if they don't run they only have 10 hp and can be hurt by magic. They're worth 2222 xp a piece. The best xp you can get otherwise is about half that, and isn't as reliable, in Gades tower. Armor goblins are also common there--and they have a chance to drop the Jet Helm.

I'll contest that with a respawning 4 skeleton fight worth 600 exp and with Selan and Tia casting a hit-all Spark on them being able to ORKO (Actually, you might have Fireball then, which'd guarantee it).

I think there's one of those in Gades Tower, and if not I remember seeing it in that "Figure out the time" puzzle from SE Tower.

Also, I'm pretty sure those spiders are weak to fire. I know the Skeletons are in that same dungeon.

Krylo · 08-26-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Julford Hajime

I'll contest that with a respawning 4 skeleton fight worth 600 exp and with Selan and Tia casting a hit-all Spark on them being able to ORKO (Actually, you might have Fireball then, which'd guarantee it).

You don't get fireball until right after the tower, and all hit sparks can't one, or even two hit that fight. You can two hit/one round the skeletons, but the ghouls will generally survive, and there's usually only one skeleton.

Further the respawning fight is random between a 4 or 5 skeleton/ghoul combo for roughly 600 xp down to a single skeleton or ghoul worth 150 or less.

I'll admit that due to the 'instant respawn' of that fight it may still be roughly equivalent xp per hour, but it's also boring as fuck. I was using it for awhile, before I remembered the red cubes and decided 'fuck this'.

Kim · 08-26-2009, 08:22 PM

Chapter Seven: Was the montage enough?

Part Thirty

Part Thirty-One

Short episode due to babysitting duties.

A Zarkin' Frood · 08-27-2009, 05:21 AM

I said the boss is an asshole, didn't I?
But you made it after all.
Maybe it goes against your hero of justice thing, but if someone's paralyzed and you can't heal them, just let them die and revive them. Especially if you are going to use a miracle on them after the fight anyways. Even though you could've just taken him to the church to get him revived. (Or an Inn, I don't know if churches do that anymore)

Also: I think there's only one more dungeon before Gades tower now, but I don't remember all the insignificant dungeons like the Camu Tower, which you should go back to, because despite what you are led to believe, it didn't collapse. And you can take what's in the three treasure chests (with some decent armor if I remember correctly) on the top level. I think I should have told you that earlier. But the contents may still be useful.

While I'm at it, the time puzzle was in that tower too, right? I don't remember if you did it, or what you get for it. But if you set the time to 12:00 you get something. (I think the hint on the tablet is something like "when a new day starts" translated directly from what I vaguely remember from the German version.)

Mirai Gen · 08-27-2009, 05:24 AM

I need to get back into co-hosting this thing.

Also - hit R to select everyone, in case you didn't know. What're you up to saturday?

08-26-2009, 03:49 AM	#31
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Chapter Six: Survival Part Twenty-Eight Part Twenty-Nine Montage Summary - I grab the key after hitting the obvious switch. Also rearrange my party and rename my Fire Type Pokemon to Entei. Then I go fight the boss. I die. (In my defense I was playing it stupidly because I go into noob mode when Let's Playing. Won't make that mistake again.) Then we have the best training montage ever. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy Last edited by Kim; 08-26-2009 at 03:51 AM.

08-26-2009, 05:30 AM	#32
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	So I started playing again. Just beat Gades, on a normal 1x exp play through, no glitching, off the cart. To help you out if you decide to kick his ass for the LP, here's my levels: Maxis-32 Guy-31 Selan-30 Tia-32 I barely made it through. Tia and Selan would be left in the teens, maybe twenties, sometimes even single digits after Gades attacked. This was with multiple layers of bravery on to increase my defense. It also took two sluggishes off the jet helm, plus a fake from the speed ring, and a fleet from from the kite shield for each character before we were able to move before Gades, so the first few rounds were extremely touch and go. Had to use two miracles, actually. I'd suggest getting up another couple levels, and farming armor goblins for a second jet helm so you can drop two sluggishes in the first round and maybe with a few levels under your belt that plus a single fake can get you up to speed (or at least get TIA up to speed, so she can do some healing). Anyway, for the battle we got 50k xp and gp, along with Gades Sword. Gades Sword has 200 ATP and the IP Octo-Strike to attack a single enemy eight times. It can be equipped by Guy. After the battle Maxim Tia and Selan each gained one level. Guy gained two. Somehow. Musta been really close to level or something. Oh, and at those levels Tia is pretty much useless except for the fact that she's fast. Selan can heal better than she can, and do more damage, and... yeah. OOOOONNNNE MORE THING! Your fire type has much better stats than your neutral type at equal level, except for GUTS, but for pets that just means your neutral type won't run away. If you've done any grinding at all you shouldn't have a problem, either way. I've only had Blaze run away after bosses have severely damaged him. Edit: And I forgot that Guy leaves your party right after and takes all his shit with him. Damn, now I can't give it to Dekar when I get him. Edit 2: Your best place for xp per hour for the grind is right outside of Parcelyte. You can occassionally fight groups of red cubes. They have about 200 agility and tend to run, but if they don't run they only have 10 hp and can be hurt by magic. They're worth 2222 xp a piece. The best xp you can get otherwise is about half that, and isn't as reliable, in Gades tower. Armor goblins are also common there--and they have a chance to drop the Jet Helm. __________________ I am very tired. Last edited by Krylo; 08-26-2009 at 05:46 AM.

08-26-2009, 08:22 PM	#38
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Chapter Seven: Was the montage enough? Part Thirty Part Thirty-One Short episode due to babysitting duties. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

08-27-2009, 05:21 AM	#39
A Zarkin' Frood formerly known as Prince. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Right here, with you >:) Posts: 2,395	I said the boss is an asshole, didn't I? But you made it after all. Maybe it goes against your hero of justice thing, but if someone's paralyzed and you can't heal them, just let them die and revive them. Especially if you are going to use a miracle on them after the fight anyways. Even though you could've just taken him to the church to get him revived. (Or an Inn, I don't know if churches do that anymore) Also: I think there's only one more dungeon before Gades tower now, but I don't remember all the insignificant dungeons like the Camu Tower, which you should go back to, because despite what you are led to believe, it didn't collapse. And you can take what's in the three treasure chests (with some decent armor if I remember correctly) on the top level. I think I should have told you that earlier. But the contents may still be useful. While I'm at it, the time puzzle was in that tower too, right? I don't remember if you did it, or what you get for it. But if you set the time to 12:00 you get something. (I think the hint on the tablet is something like "when a new day starts" translated directly from what I vaguely remember from the German version.) __________________ >:( C-: Last edited by A Zarkin' Frood; 08-27-2009 at 05:26 AM.

08-27-2009, 05:24 AM	#40
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	I need to get back into co-hosting this thing. Also - hit R to select everyone, in case you didn't know. What're you up to saturday? __________________