Pokemon Umbral Discussion 29: I Dare Nintendo To Make This a Game - Page 4

Geminex · 06-13-2010, 06:59 PM

Ok, waitwaitwait.

We just heard two things:
a) Oil is even more powerful than we had thought. Not only does it make all the extra-effects more likely, it also massively increases damage
b) Wildfire most likely won't be using oil again in this battle

We can attack wildfire all-out and we'd both deal and take pretty massive damage.
Or we can try to devote some resources to removing the threat of Wildfire's oil.
Primary goals would be to
a) Get the oil off Impact, Matt and Harliette
b) Switch out anything that's covered in oil.
That will, sadly, mean switching out anything that's already been buffed up, but it'd be worth it, I think. I mean, it looks like Oil is less just a boost to wildfire's attacks, and more the main rape-tool that wildfire is going to employ.

Dracorion · 06-13-2010, 07:15 PM

Well yeah.

Whirlpool is our best bet. HM move that everybody has access to. Moon's pokemon could wash off Harliette and Matthias, Pierce's Kingdra could wash the oil off Impact, and Swampert just does the same for Mollesk (THOUGH I STILL THINK WE SHOULD SWITCH IT OUT FOR SOMETHING THAT CAN, Y'KNOW, ATTACK). Sure, they have to take the damage for two-to-five turns, but it's crap damage anyway.

But that is, of course, assuming Whirlpool is an HM move in this RP. Can't see why it shouldn't be.

Also, trap moves like Whirlpool and Fire Spin don't prevent the target from taking action, right?

Menarker · 06-13-2010, 08:00 PM

Whirlpool prevents you from switching out though which can be a real danger. And I'd imagine AB would say that Whirlpool piss-poor damage wouldn't be enough to wash off the oil.

Ginnungagap from Norse Myth, eh? Interesting. :3

And as for Mollesk being able to attack, Power Trick would make up for a turn or two of delay, even more so if I can use Testament Drive (And I might be able to do it faster than expected.)

Anyhow, I would have Rachel use Full Restore on Mollesk, but I have no idea if the oil is actually going to succeed in being washed off (and don't want her approaching it if its still on fire.). Recover would at least take a huge chunk of the damage off if it activates.

Unless AB will allow for Rachel to heal Mollesk if the oil/flame washes off and to not heal if it doesn't.

Dracorion · 06-13-2010, 08:13 PM

No, it's not the Ginnungagap you're thinking of.

Damnit AB, you are never allowed to name anything of mine ever again. Although... yeah, maybe we could tweak it a bit to make it cheat more and live up to it's name!

Thanks Menarker!

Well, yeah, of course Whirlpool prevents you from switching out. But Impact and Matthias are better if we keep 'em in the field anyway. And you're intent on keeping Mollesk out.

And I am resigned to the fact that Mollesk's Power Trick/Testament Drive won't be as impressive as you're building it up to be anyway. If it even lives that long.

Menarker · 06-13-2010, 08:20 PM

No problem. *Thumbs up*

For the whirlpool thing, I was just thinking it might cause problems if they need/want to use an enforcer. (Aside from me thinking that high power water attack is needed to wash something out that is implied to be quite persistant.)

Testament Drives have always done really impressive damage, and that's with pokemons with attack scores of 125ish typically. One with a power of 999 is sure to cause a massive dent. Maybe scare some minions shitless if their vaunted military weapon is bashed against the wall like a common ragged doll instead of a super weapon. (Of course, it's entirely conjecture, but I think its worth a shot. Plus 999 Attack also would likely OHKO minions that come out with Rock Slide.)

Dracorion · 06-13-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Menarker

No problem. *Thumbs up*

You know, I should warn you. I'm the one who controls Ginnungagap. Just sayin' why you shouldn't be happy to have helped me.

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Originally Posted by Menarker

For the whirlpool thing, I was just thinking it might cause problems if they need/want to use an enforcer. (Aside from me thinking that high power water attack is needed to wash something out that is implied to be quite persistant.)

Meh. I doubt we'll want to change either of them. Meh. AB said water moves. That means any water move should have the same effectiveness.

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Originally Posted by Menarker

Testament Drives have always done really impressive damage, and that's with pokemons with attack scores of 125ish typically. One with a power of 999 is sure to cause a massive dent. Maybe scare some minions shitless if their vaunted military weapon is bashed against the wall like a common ragged doll instead of a super weapon. (Of course, it's entirely conjecture, but I think its worth a shot. Plus 999 Attack also would likely OHKO minions that come out with Rock Slide.)

Remember how this relies entirely on Mollesk living long enough? Yeah, I thought so. Which becomes extremely unlikely if you can't wipe the oil off it this turn. So I very much doubt Mollesk will be able to stay alive for three turns straight.

And I doubt 999 attack would OHKO anything unless it's quad-effective, or super-effective. And need I remind you that you need to wait three fucking turns?

I still can't grasp how you think the possibility of it happening is even worth considering.

Astral Harmony · 06-14-2010, 12:28 AM

When using water moves on your own allies, neither damage nor the affects are applied nor do they add or subtract from the move's ability to wash away the oil.

That's only for allies, though. Damage does apply when trying to wash away that wall of blue fire.

Speaking of that wall of fire, I think I have some very evil ideas. *possessed by the devil cackling*

Bard The 5th LW · 06-14-2010, 12:31 AM

How would a Muk or Muk pokebrid be affected by the oil? Seriously, would it already be flammable in it's own right?

Astral Harmony · 06-14-2010, 12:35 AM

I imagine a Muk would simply smother the flames by folding in on itself and cutting off the supply of air that would otherwise keep it burning. Then again, I don't think there's a Muk nearby to test the theory.

Bard The 5th LW · 06-14-2010, 12:44 AM

Hence the question not being in orange. It was mostly just an inward question, that I found to be a curiosity.

And there will never be a Muk around to test the answer. Because Cerulean Wild Fire dies here.

06-13-2010, 07:15 PM	#32
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Well yeah. Whirlpool is our best bet. HM move that everybody has access to. Moon's pokemon could wash off Harliette and Matthias, Pierce's Kingdra could wash the oil off Impact, and Swampert just does the same for Mollesk (THOUGH I STILL THINK WE SHOULD SWITCH IT OUT FOR SOMETHING THAT CAN, Y'KNOW, ATTACK). Sure, they have to take the damage for two-to-five turns, but it's crap damage anyway. But that is, of course, assuming Whirlpool is an HM move in this RP. Can't see why it shouldn't be. Also, trap moves like Whirlpool and Fire Spin don't prevent the target from taking action, right? __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

06-13-2010, 08:00 PM	#33
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Whirlpool prevents you from switching out though which can be a real danger. And I'd imagine AB would say that Whirlpool piss-poor damage wouldn't be enough to wash off the oil. Ginnungagap from Norse Myth, eh? Interesting. :3 And as for Mollesk being able to attack, Power Trick would make up for a turn or two of delay, even more so if I can use Testament Drive (And I might be able to do it faster than expected.) Anyhow, I would have Rachel use Full Restore on Mollesk, but I have no idea if the oil is actually going to succeed in being washed off (and don't want her approaching it if its still on fire.). Recover would at least take a huge chunk of the damage off if it activates. Unless AB will allow for Rachel to heal Mollesk if the oil/flame washes off and to not heal if it doesn't. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

06-13-2010, 08:13 PM	#34
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	No, it's not the Ginnungagap you're thinking of. Damnit AB, you are never allowed to name anything of mine ever again. Although... yeah, maybe we could tweak it a bit to make it cheat more and live up to it's name! Thanks Menarker! Well, yeah, of course Whirlpool prevents you from switching out. But Impact and Matthias are better if we keep 'em in the field anyway. And you're intent on keeping Mollesk out. And I am resigned to the fact that Mollesk's Power Trick/Testament Drive won't be as impressive as you're building it up to be anyway. If it even lives that long. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

06-13-2010, 08:20 PM	#35
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	No problem. Thumbs up For the whirlpool thing, I was just thinking it might cause problems if they need/want to use an enforcer. (Aside from me thinking that high power water attack is needed to wash something out that is implied to be quite persistant.) Testament Drives have always done really impressive damage, and that's with pokemons with attack scores of 125ish typically. One with a power of 999 is sure to cause a massive dent. Maybe scare some minions shitless if their vaunted military weapon is bashed against the wall like a common ragged doll instead of a super weapon. (Of course, it's entirely conjecture, but I think its worth a shot. Plus 999 Attack also would likely OHKO minions that come out with Rock Slide.) __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

06-14-2010, 12:28 AM	#37
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	When using water moves on your own allies, neither damage nor the affects are applied nor do they add or subtract from the move's ability to wash away the oil. That's only for allies, though. Damage does apply when trying to wash away that wall of blue fire. Speaking of that wall of fire, I think I have some very evil ideas. possessed by the devil cackling Last edited by Astral Harmony; 06-14-2010 at 12:33 AM.

06-13-2010, 06:59 PM	#31
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Ok, waitwaitwait. We just heard two things: a) Oil is even more powerful than we had thought. Not only does it make all the extra-effects more likely, it also massively increases damage b) Wildfire most likely won't be using oil again in this battle We can attack wildfire all-out and we'd both deal and take pretty massive damage. Or we can try to devote some resources to removing the threat of Wildfire's oil. Primary goals would be to a) Get the oil off Impact, Matt and Harliette b) Switch out anything that's covered in oil. That will, sadly, mean switching out anything that's already been buffed up, but it'd be worth it, I think. I mean, it looks like Oil is less just a boost to wildfire's attacks, and more the main rape-tool that wildfire is going to employ.

06-14-2010, 12:31 AM	#38
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	How would a Muk or Muk pokebrid be affected by the oil? Seriously, would it already be flammable in it's own right?

06-14-2010, 12:35 AM	#39
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	I imagine a Muk would simply smother the flames by folding in on itself and cutting off the supply of air that would otherwise keep it burning. Then again, I don't think there's a Muk nearby to test the theory.

06-14-2010, 12:44 AM	#40
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Hence the question not being in orange. It was mostly just an inward question, that I found to be a curiosity. And there will never be a Muk around to test the answer. Because Cerulean Wild Fire dies here.