Above Political Correctness - Page 4

Krylo · 05-11-2011, 01:08 AM

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Oh, certainly, and it shouldn't be used as such. Indeed, I would argue that if you're calling someone a faggot and that person informs you that they were offended by it, it is you who is in the wrong to tell them to fuck off.

On the other hand, it is entirely not the proper response to this situation to call that person a cock gobbling ass muncher or hit them in the face or whatever. That simply escalates the situation and causes more issues for everyone involved, yourself included, and does absolutely nothing to make that person change their views.

I feel like there's some math involved. Where if you call me a nigger/faggot and I call you a cock muncher once, You're still in the wrong. But if you call me a nigger/faggot once, and call you a cock muncher once. Leave, come back, do it again, leave come back, and hit you in the nuts, THEN we can talk about how I should react.

And if you go around fucking with people I'm not gonna feel bad for you or pursue the guy/girl who did it with all that much vigor when you get your ass kicked.

Your post.

Note what you quoted.

It has everything to do with what you quoted. And this discussion has nothing to do with who's the asshole. Everyone's the asshole. The person who said something insensitive in the first place, and the person who decided to fly off the handle because of it.

You're both assholes.

Who is the bigger asshole is a stupid question to ask. There is no bigger asshole. There is only asshole and not an asshole.

rpgdemon · 05-11-2011, 01:11 AM

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There is no bigger asshole.

Well, technically, if we're having a conversation (at least partially) about gay slurs...

Overcast · 05-11-2011, 01:17 AM

While I can understand being PC to be polite, after all my state of mind isn't the only one, but there are some things I just can't stand. One is trying to make a single word a total no-say. The campaigns to police the word gay just bother me as a fag, that people consider it that big of an issue just gives me a headache. Nobody else gets this advantage, why the fuck should we?

In the same vein, when people who are not part of the demographic being slurred against decide to take offense FOR the party. If I didn't respond to the person who called me fag, and you happen to be one of the straight people who fully support that anti-gword thing I don't want to hear you bother me and my friends with a tirade on how offensive the word fag is.

Premmy · 05-11-2011, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Your post.

Note what you quoted.

It has everything to do with what you quoted. And this discussion has nothing to do with who's the asshole. Everyone's the asshole. The person who said something insensitive in the first place, and the person who decided to fly off the handle because of it.

You're both assholes.

Who is the bigger asshole is a stupid question to ask. There is no bigger asshole. There is only asshole and not an asshole.

Well it's my fault for not quoting out the relevant part, but if it was just an issue of people being rude to each other the concept of political correctness wouldn't come into play.

But I'm seriously disinclined to be mad at the guy who slaps the guy who punched him in the face. If he goes on to savagely beat they guy, sure, but quick, simple reaction to shitty behavior? That's what you get for being an asshole. if you were'nt TRYING to be an asshole? then you go "Wait, sorry dude, didn't mean it, let's talk!"
THAT'S the issue of people being rude and people responding to things and the concept of escalation in aggression and whatever

Which is not at ALL what's going on in the "Political Correctness" conversation on any level. "Political Correctness" is all about shifting blame for the assholery to the person reacting.

Krylo · 05-11-2011, 01:21 AM

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Which is not at ALL what's going on in the "Political Correctness" conversation on any level. "Political Correctness" is all about shifting blame for the assholery to the person reacting.

To be fair, I a) don't think that's entirely correct, and b) don't actually care about the political correctness discussion. Just the minor psychology side discussion I started. Which does, admittedly, tie into the political correctness discussion, but I don't really care about my 'right' to use nigger or faggot or whatever in mixed company. I obviously have that right, but if I utilize it I should do so with the full understanding that, right or not, I'm really just kinda asking to get punched in the face.

Edit: To be more fair I also see the concept of 'political correctness' as anything more than people not being rude to each other as kinda silly in most inceptions, I guess.

rpgdemon · 05-11-2011, 01:25 AM

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In the same vein, when people who are not part of the demographic being slurred against decide to take offense FOR the party. If I didn't respond to the person who called me fag, and you happen to be one of the straight people who fully support that anti-gword thing I don't want to hear you bother me and my friends with a tirade on how offensive the word fag is.

Reminds me of when I made a flippant remark about having OCD in regards to something silly, someone was all, "DUDE YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT IT'S HURTFUL YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE OCD", and I'm like, "Okay, do you want me to go get a doctors notice letting you know, hey, yeah, I do legitimately have it to some degree? Because I can go do that." The person shut up quickly.

Like, it can be more hurtful sometimes to jump in being offended on behalf of this "other group". I was legitimately annoyed/aggravated/upset that I had to defend the fact that I have compulsions that I either do, or get bothered by constantly until I cave anyways and do them. This person was offended and angry at me, for "slighting" a group by saying that I was a part of it, and was expecting me to apologize for it.

I mean, I'm not saying, "Don't try to defend people being picked on", but there's a difference between that, and being offended on their behalf.

Premmy · 05-11-2011, 01:29 AM

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To be fair, I a) don't think that's entirely correct, and b)

I have never heard it used in any other way.

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don't actually care about the political correctness discussion. Just the minor psychology side discussion I started.

Oh yeah we can do that, definitely. It's just what happens when you come into a thread with that title

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Which does, admittedly, tie into the political correctness discussion,

Yeah kinda, but the only valid discussion to be made from the PC discussion is the "Why the hell are we having this dumb-ass argument" discussion

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But I don't really care about my 'right' to use nigger or faggot or whatever in mixed company. I obviously have that right, but if I utilize it I should do so with the full understanding that, right or not, I'm really just kinda asking to get punched in the face.

my point exactly. I'm not going to feel all that bad for you, individually.

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Edit: To be more fair I also see the concept of 'political correctness' as anything more than people not being rude to each other as kinda silly in most inceptions, I guess.

ayup

Overcast · 05-11-2011, 01:37 AM

And I guess I just want to know why, why do people continue to hype up this personal catering to other people's sensibilities for the sake of some exaggerated form of politeness? Why do people think censoring society will make it a less hurtful place?

I honestly wish to pursue the opposite, I wish we could just flood the world with these non-PC phrases to the point they become so mundane they don't have that power they had over most of us. But that's just big hopes from a little bastard.

Seil · 05-11-2011, 01:42 AM

Would you prefer that I said I don't agree with that idea, sir - or - that's a totally shitty idea, dingus?

Overcast · 05-11-2011, 01:44 AM

I'd prefer you told me the truth. But anyway, I figure we're about done here.

05-11-2011, 01:17 AM	#33
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	While I can understand being PC to be polite, after all my state of mind isn't the only one, but there are some things I just can't stand. One is trying to make a single word a total no-say. The campaigns to police the word gay just bother me as a fag, that people consider it that big of an issue just gives me a headache. Nobody else gets this advantage, why the fuck should we? In the same vein, when people who are not part of the demographic being slurred against decide to take offense FOR the party. If I didn't respond to the person who called me fag, and you happen to be one of the straight people who fully support that anti-gword thing I don't want to hear you bother me and my friends with a tirade on how offensive the word fag is. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

05-11-2011, 01:37 AM	#38
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	And I guess I just want to know why, why do people continue to hype up this personal catering to other people's sensibilities for the sake of some exaggerated form of politeness? Why do people think censoring society will make it a less hurtful place? I honestly wish to pursue the opposite, I wish we could just flood the world with these non-PC phrases to the point they become so mundane they don't have that power they had over most of us. But that's just big hopes from a little bastard. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

05-11-2011, 01:44 AM	#40
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	I'd prefer you told me the truth. But anyway, I figure we're about done here. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

05-11-2011, 01:42 AM	#39
Seil Super stressed! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 8,081	Would you prefer that I said I don't agree with that idea, sir - or - that's a totally shitty idea, dingus?