"Doctor Who" or "Fallacies Therof" [POTENTIAL RISK OF SPOILERS WITHIN] - Page 4

Nique · 08-28-2011, 02:03 AM

This episode's title was completely misleading.

I blame Hawk.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-28-2011, 03:49 AM

in ref to Bloodyage
When did the TARDIS change size? Anyway, isn't it just the camouflage feature that's damaged? At this point, a blue police box is stands out so much that making it bigger and smaller wouldn't really make much difference.

When it went inside robot pond and picked up the minitaure people then brought them back out and resized them to full size. How is radically changed you size NOT a part of a camoflage surface? And this is a radical change of size- according to this yuo could make the tardis ike the size of a 5p piece, keep it in your pocket- problem solved. And you can change the size of whatever is in it. Like you can make mini people or really big peope! I would do this al the time.

synkr0nized · 08-28-2011, 04:18 AM

Gotta agree that for now I am not satisfied that they have stuck to established TARDIS logic with size changing.

But it's worth noting that during and post-regeneration there are always residual amounts of energy floating around giving the authors plenty of room to make shit up and use it however. As far as I recall they've only ever come out and stated that there's a finite amount of times a Time Lord can regenerate, but they haven't ever claimed the energy can't be transferred, otherwise harnessed, etc. They've also definitely hinted that a Time Lord might not even look human/humanoid or could even change gender. I appreciate the desire to fit the recent episode's events within some kind of logic, but I am not sure we have enough facts with respect to regeneration to know what is and is not possible.

Archbio · 08-28-2011, 04:18 AM

Though you're right about the ability's conspicuous absence in every other Doctor Who episode before this one, isn't the TARDIS technically always screwing with size? Or even doing something that's like an improved version of screwing with size.

synkr0nized · 08-28-2011, 04:22 AM

I can state with certainty that until this episode no episode of the 2005 - current seasons showed the TARDIS in any other size than a blue police box as we all know (with respect to a person standing next to it and outside of it; the inside being bigger is all part of the time-and-relative-dimensions bit of its name). It is possible that the Doctor/River sonic'd the robot to use its miniaturization ray on the TARDIS, but then how'd it get back out at the normal size?

If we're going to continue talking about recent episodes and current theories and junk, can we just assume this thread is bad for folks who haven't watched them and drop the whole spoiler tag thing?

Or are some of you for some dumb reason not watching the episodes but still following the OP's discussion and the like?

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-28-2011, 11:23 AM

WMG time:
The Doctor we are with is the ganger doctor from a while back. That explains why regeneration was "disabled". He also seemed surprised at learning the date of his death which the ganger doctor doesn't know but the original Doctor does. Original Doctor is cruising around Utah without the Tardis. This is why the Doctor arrives in Utah without a Tardis- he is then killed and Ganger Doctor is the one who comes later in the episode with the tardis. This would explain the Doctor's real death as a point in time and the promise that they are actually going to kill a character. I thought it might be the ganger dying in Utah but you can clearly see a regeneration starting.
Mostly I'm explaining why he changed his cloak.

BitVyper · 08-28-2011, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

in ref to Bloodyage
When did the TARDIS change size? Anyway, isn't it just the camouflage feature that's damaged? At this point, a blue police box is stands out so much that making it bigger and smaller wouldn't really make much difference.

When it went inside robot pond and picked up the minitaure people then brought them back out and resized them to full size. How is radically changed you size NOT a part of a camoflage surface? And this is a radical change of size- according to this yuo could make the tardis ike the size of a 5p piece, keep it in your pocket- problem solved. And you can change the size of whatever is in it. Like you can make mini people or really big peope! I would do this al the time.

The Master's TARDIS was able to go from being the size of a pillar to the size of a large passenger jet back in the day. Granted though, his chameleon circuit wasn't broken, and it didn't change the size of anything inside.

I kinda doubt that's beneath Time Lord technology though.

Edit: In fact I think that's how the Doctor beat the Meddling Monk the first time around.

Malek · 08-28-2011, 04:20 PM

@smarty
There's still a possibility that the ganger Doctor could be capable of regenerating too.

Also, when the Doctor asked what the question was, I was half expecting them to say that that was the question.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-28-2011, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitVyper

The Master's TARDIS was able to go from being the size of a pillar to the size of a large passenger jet back in the day. Granted though, his chameleon circuit wasn't broken, and it didn't change the size of anything inside.

I kinda doubt that's beneath Time Lord technology though.

Edit: In fact I think that's how the Doctor beat the Meddling Monk the first time around.

I know other Tardis' can change size but they can also can shape and all kinds of shit. I'm saying I don't recall the Doctor's one ever doing that before. And if he can he should totally do it all the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malek

@smarty
There's still a possibility that the ganger Doctor could be capable of regenerating too.

Also, when the Doctor asked what the question was, I was half expecting them to say that that was the question.

Yeah my rulig out of regeneration was I was trying to tie it into the "You can't regenerate for unexplained reasons" in this episode. Also I do think if they going with the kill the doctor route they have to kill the real one to fufill the moffat promise of killing a character properly- I can't remember the exact quote but he said it was permenant and no tricks or anything if I recall.

as for the question- they did hesitate a bit after he asked "What is the question?" I feel this is something that must have been hinted at somewhere but I can't recall anything.

rpgdemon · 08-28-2011, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

WMG time:
The Doctor we are with is the ganger doctor from a while back. That explains why regeneration was "disabled". He also seemed surprised at learning the date of his death which the ganger doctor doesn't know but the original Doctor does. Original Doctor is cruising around Utah without the Tardis. This is why the Doctor arrives in Utah without a Tardis- he is then killed and Ganger Doctor is the one who comes later in the episode with the tardis. This would explain the Doctor's real death as a point in time and the promise that they are actually going to kill a character. I thought it might be the ganger dying in Utah but you can clearly see a regeneration starting.
Mostly I'm explaining why he changed his cloak.

The ganger being the one to pick them up with the Tardis doesn't make sense: It's an earlier version of the Doctor who picks them up, who then gets a ganger made of him. Unless there's a time loop involving making a ton of gangers, every time the ganger goes back to that point in time.

08-28-2011, 04:18 AM	#33
synkr0nized synk-ism Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: throughout the Wired Posts: 6,857	Science Fiction: giving the author no rules Gotta agree that for now I am not satisfied that they have stuck to established TARDIS logic with size changing. But it's worth noting that during and post-regeneration there are always residual amounts of energy floating around giving the authors plenty of room to make shit up and use it however. As far as I recall they've only ever come out and stated that there's a finite amount of times a Time Lord can regenerate, but they haven't ever claimed the energy can't be transferred, otherwise harnessed, etc. They've also definitely hinted that a Time Lord might not even look human/humanoid or could even change gender. I appreciate the desire to fit the recent episode's events within some kind of logic, but I am not sure we have enough facts with respect to regeneration to know what is and is not possible. __________________ Find love.

08-28-2011, 04:18 AM	#34
Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	Though you're right about the ability's conspicuous absence in every other Doctor Who episode before this one, isn't the TARDIS technically always screwing with size? Or even doing something that's like an improved version of screwing with size. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform.

08-28-2011, 04:22 AM	#35
synkr0nized synk-ism Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: throughout the Wired Posts: 6,857	The thread itself is spoiler tag'd. Can we stop using spoiler tags in here? I can state with certainty that until this episode no episode of the 2005 - current seasons showed the TARDIS in any other size than a blue police box as we all know (with respect to a person standing next to it and outside of it; the inside being bigger is all part of the time-and-relative-dimensions bit of its name). It is possible that the Doctor/River sonic'd the robot to use its miniaturization ray on the TARDIS, but then how'd it get back out at the normal size? If we're going to continue talking about recent episodes and current theories and junk, can we just assume this thread is bad for folks who haven't watched them and drop the whole spoiler tag thing? Or are some of you for some dumb reason not watching the episodes but still following the OP's discussion and the like? __________________ Find love. Last edited by synkr0nized; 08-28-2011 at 04:25 AM.

08-28-2011, 03:49 AM	#32
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	in ref to Bloodyage When did the TARDIS change size? Anyway, isn't it just the camouflage feature that's damaged? At this point, a blue police box is stands out so much that making it bigger and smaller wouldn't really make much difference. When it went inside robot pond and picked up the minitaure people then brought them back out and resized them to full size. How is radically changed you size NOT a part of a camoflage surface? And this is a radical change of size- according to this yuo could make the tardis ike the size of a 5p piece, keep it in your pocket- problem solved. And you can change the size of whatever is in it. Like you can make mini people or really big peope! I would do this al the time.

08-28-2011, 11:23 AM	#36
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	WMG time: The Doctor we are with is the ganger doctor from a while back. That explains why regeneration was "disabled". He also seemed surprised at learning the date of his death which the ganger doctor doesn't know but the original Doctor does. Original Doctor is cruising around Utah without the Tardis. This is why the Doctor arrives in Utah without a Tardis- he is then killed and Ganger Doctor is the one who comes later in the episode with the tardis. This would explain the Doctor's real death as a point in time and the promise that they are actually going to kill a character. I thought it might be the ganger dying in Utah but you can clearly see a regeneration starting. Mostly I'm explaining why he changed his cloak.

08-28-2011, 04:20 PM	#38
Malek Shyguy Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 119	@smarty There's still a possibility that the ganger Doctor could be capable of regenerating too. Also, when the Doctor asked what the question was, I was half expecting them to say that that was the question.