Adventure Time, with Fiona and Cake - Page 4

Bard The 5th LW · 09-29-2011, 04:50 PM

Just watched it on DVR, pretty hilarious. Haven't heard about it being pulled though.

e: nvm, I see what you guys are talking about now. It was the behind the scenes that got removed, not the episode

Aerozord · 09-29-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Who knows.

It sure is something that CN would lose its biscuits over two girls maybe liking each other but not the constant romantic ~~sub~~text between two adult women and the (would be a) middleschooler (if any schools remained in the post-apocalyptic world of freaks and weirdos).

with their recent programming, I think CN itself couldn't care less. Or even enjoys seeing what they can get away with. If anything gets pulled, my money is one someone making a stink about it. With that its more what they pick out, so I dont think logic applies

RickZarber · 09-30-2011, 01:38 AM

Here is the official deal, for the record:

Quote:

Well, I completely screwed up.

There�s been chatter on the internet recently about our latest Adventure Time �Mathematical!� video recap that we created, posted, and removed here at Federator. I figure it�s time to clear up the matter.

In trying to get the show�s audience involved we got wrapped up by both fan conjecture and spicy fanart and went a little too far. Neither Cartoon Network nor the Adventure Time crew had anything to do with putting up or taking down our latest re-cap. The episode �What was Missing� remains a terrific short and will be shown again and again just like any other Adventure Time episode.

I let us goof in a staggering way and I�m deeply sorry it�s become such a distraction for so many people.

�Fred Seibert

Locke cole · 09-30-2011, 01:46 AM

Oh, well, good. Good to know it wasn't executive politics or anything.

Kim · 09-30-2011, 02:02 AM

Now I'm just kind of depressed.

I'm glad to know that it wasn't a case of someone shutting down a possible relationship, but at least when I thought it was there was the feeling that some people were trying to be more progressive with children's entertainment and give LGB youth a relationship they could identify with. Now that feeling is gone, replaced with the knowledge that the closest we've come is a one-off joke in a behind-the-scenes video.

Fifthfiend · 09-30-2011, 02:08 AM

IDK, the subtext is still totally, totally there.

Kim · 09-30-2011, 02:11 AM

When a video that seemed to make the subtext into text is taken down for differing from the intentions of the series' creators, I'm not sure I can really look at the subtext that way any more.

Token · 09-30-2011, 08:55 AM

Frankly, the over-the-top fan outrage towards the perceived censorship has been one of the most hilarious clusterfucks I have ever witnessed. The episode was good, and I didn't really see the subtext, * but eh. Even if I did, I wouldn't be surprised the video was taken down.

Marelo · 09-30-2011, 05:16 PM

The problem wasn't the idea of them being in a relationship or wanting to be (because the subtext is totally there; I think it's pretty hard to read the lyrics in any other way). The problem with the Frederator video, the reason one of the creators expressed distaste for it, was the sensationalist treatment of the subtext.

I personally think it was a pretty garish leap from "There's subtext about Marceline having feelings for Bubblegum" to "WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE TOTALLY IN LOVE, FANS," especially considering the lack of input from the actual creators of the show.

Then there's the aforementioned rumors that got passed around without any sort of verification. I think the idea of Cartoon Network pulling an episode of one of their most successful original shows ever just because of some non-hetero romantic subtext, when AT gets away with so, so very much, as do other programs, was just kind of silly on the face of it! The episode ran paired with another episode a few days later, like usual, unless my DVR is magic. On the whole, the outrage felt like a game of activism telephone, more concerned with anger than enlightened justice.

It's kind of a shame, because I feel like it buried a lot of good discussion that could have come from the episode. The pain Finn's feeling in his awkward position among his older friends, and with Bubblegum in particular, came out all at once. And, on top of that, he asked them to start treating him with the respect he has earned instead of the condescension he tends to get. Also, did you notice that because Finn said he wouldn't fake the song, he didn't use his autotune voice?

I didn't see anyone talking about that on Tumblr or anywhere else, all because of a big ol' raging overreaction to something that didn't even happen the way the rumors had it.

Edit: I forgot how stupid the name on this account was...

Aerozord · 10-02-2011, 06:37 PM

"mathmatical" actually reminds me of those gossip news shows. Which I think was the idea. And just like those types of shows it was more about stirring things up from conjecture then in any way being legitimate insight.

If there was one thing about relationship complexity I found interesting it would be Finn and Bubblegum, to be more exact the lack there of.

When they were the same age their affection for one another was obvious. Though the moment she became older it was gone. Which to me shows that age gap really is whats keeping her away. Its not even like a societal constraints, its really an automatic dismissal of someones feelings based purely on a single factor, which apparently for her is even alterable

09-29-2011, 04:50 PM	#31
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Just watched it on DVR, pretty hilarious. Haven't heard about it being pulled though. e: nvm, I see what you guys are talking about now. It was the behind the scenes that got removed, not the episode Last edited by Bard The 5th LW; 09-29-2011 at 04:55 PM.

09-30-2011, 02:02 AM	#35
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Now I'm just kind of depressed. I'm glad to know that it wasn't a case of someone shutting down a possible relationship, but at least when I thought it was there was the feeling that some people were trying to be more progressive with children's entertainment and give LGB youth a relationship they could identify with. Now that feeling is gone, replaced with the knowledge that the closest we've come is a one-off joke in a behind-the-scenes video. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

09-30-2011, 02:08 AM	#36
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	IDK, the subtext is still totally, totally there. __________________ check out my buttspresso

09-30-2011, 02:11 AM	#37
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	When a video that seemed to make the subtext into text is taken down for differing from the intentions of the series' creators, I'm not sure I can really look at the subtext that way any more. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

09-30-2011, 08:55 AM	#38
Token Magikoopa Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,789	Just another instance of shippers looking too deeply into something and screwing up. Frankly, the over-the-top fan outrage towards the perceived censorship has been one of the most hilarious clusterfucks I have ever witnessed. The episode was good, and I didn't really see the subtext, * but eh. Even if I did, I wouldn't be surprised the video was taken down.

09-30-2011, 05:16 PM	#39
Marelo Napoleon Impersonator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 816	The problem wasn't the idea of them being in a relationship or wanting to be (because the subtext is totally there; I think it's pretty hard to read the lyrics in any other way). The problem with the Frederator video, the reason one of the creators expressed distaste for it, was the sensationalist treatment of the subtext. I personally think it was a pretty garish leap from "There's subtext about Marceline having feelings for Bubblegum" to "WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE TOTALLY IN LOVE, FANS," especially considering the lack of input from the actual creators of the show. Then there's the aforementioned rumors that got passed around without any sort of verification. I think the idea of Cartoon Network pulling an episode of one of their most successful original shows ever just because of some non-hetero romantic subtext, when AT gets away with so, so very much, as do other programs, was just kind of silly on the face of it! The episode ran paired with another episode a few days later, like usual, unless my DVR is magic. On the whole, the outrage felt like a game of activism telephone, more concerned with anger than enlightened justice. It's kind of a shame, because I feel like it buried a lot of good discussion that could have come from the episode. The pain Finn's feeling in his awkward position among his older friends, and with Bubblegum in particular, came out all at once. And, on top of that, he asked them to start treating him with the respect he has earned instead of the condescension he tends to get. Also, did you notice that because Finn said he wouldn't fake the song, he didn't use his autotune voice? I didn't see anyone talking about that on Tumblr or anywhere else, all because of a big ol' raging overreaction to something that didn't even happen the way the rumors had it. Edit: I forgot how stupid the name on this account was...

10-02-2011, 06:37 PM	#40
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	"mathmatical" actually reminds me of those gossip news shows. Which I think was the idea. And just like those types of shows it was more about stirring things up from conjecture then in any way being legitimate insight. If there was one thing about relationship complexity I found interesting it would be Finn and Bubblegum, to be more exact the lack there of. When they were the same age their affection for one another was obvious. Though the moment she became older it was gone. Which to me shows that age gap really is whats keeping her away. Its not even like a societal constraints, its really an automatic dismissal of someones feelings based purely on a single factor, which apparently for her is even alterable __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."