GamerGate? Da fuq is a GamerGate? - Page 4

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-10-2014, 07:47 AM

I think a lot of Gamer Gates initial push was by misogynistic people, and it's very troubling that they go out of their way to target indie devs rather than the straight up bribery AAA devs engage in.

That said, it is pretty disturbing that things like a competition being judged in part by several people with a direct relationship to the developer happened. Phil fish got an award for Fez from people who invested in Fez. That's fucking weird.

It's also kind of off that a lot of people seem to want to dismiss the ex-boyfriend as whiny or bitter, when the behavior he describes is absolutely abusive. Gas lighting, isolation, emotional manipulation. They're all in there, in an account that, as far as I know was verified?

Kim · 10-10-2014, 08:43 AM

I dismiss him because he actively worked with a group harassing her, her friend, and her family, and coached them on how to more easily get away with it. Dude is fucking abusive as hell.

Also I dunno why the fuck you'd believe any claims about Quinn trying to destroy TFYC when the fuckers have ACTIVELY LIED on a repeated basis about the alleged doxxing and ddosing. The "doxxing" was someone linking a public Facebook post from the TFYC guy because it was gross, and the "DDOS" was Quinn literally just linking their website and the resulting traffic crashing it because their hosting was shitty. And the reason TFYC lies about this is when they'd even admitted this was the case before is because they decided to go full hog on cashing in off GamerGate for their own gain.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-10-2014, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim

I dismiss him because he actively worked with a group harassing her, her friend, and her family, and coached them on how to more easily get away with it. Dude is fucking abusive as hell.

Am I... correct in inferring that you are saying that it's acceptable to dismiss Zoe Quinn's abusive behavior because he acted abusively in return?

Like, I'm mad as fuck at Zoe Quinn. Not because she made a game or fucked men that were in positions to get her positive influence. That's just stuff that happens. I don't like it, but I don't blame her anymore than anyone else in the industry. But, and I am willing to admit I maybe misinformed about this but I haven't seen anyone tell me otherwise yet, her behavior in this relationship and her treatment of other people leads me to believe she's engaged in incredibly dubious behavior in and out of her relationships. Lying, abusing, manipulating. These aren't the actions of a good person.

Arhra · 10-10-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Amake

The evidence of corruption may be worth a look, just as the movement may result in some positives like the formation of a small, powerless, independent game journalism site. But I remain suspicious of the movement's ability to or interest in divorcing itself from its widespread use as a tool to abuse and marginalize women.

Well Kotaku, Polygon, The Escapist have all revised their ethics guidelines already.

And 4chan raised $20,000 for The Fine Young Capitalists so they can create a game developed by a woman. I think TFYC has some very good points about positive representation being the way to help female game developers. Their Indiegogo campaign is fully funded now so I'm really looking forward to see the finished product.

So some good has come out of it at least.

On the corruption front, there is that e-mail dump?

http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/09/19/g...nn-email-dump/

I'm not very impressed by Milo Yiannopoulos' later articles though. I think he's sensationalising things in them.

Does anyone have more information about Phil Fish possibly being investigated for racketeering due to the Indie Games Festival judge panel voting his game best of show and them being members of Indie Cade and Polytron and thus standing to profit from it? I haven't heard anything further on that so was it just a rumour?

Or is any news about evidence of corruption for a specific person who isn't Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian or Leigh Alexander? I am finding it troubling that there seems to be this focus on them.

shiney · 10-10-2014, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RMB

Kim, Snake and Marc. Fuck you guys.

Do it again, go for it. If this is how you're going to participate in the thread or forum, then I'll help see you out. Go ahead and get mad, but keep it civil, or get the fuck out of here. This community doesn't need people being assholes because of a disagreement.

Kim · 10-10-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by K-Re$ha

fucked men that were in positions to get her positive influence

I can't believe you think she actually did this.

*rubs temples*

And it's not that I'm excusing her abusive behavior. It's that someone so openly abusive is Really Hard To Trust when they claim their ex is The Real Abuser.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-10-2014, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim

I can't believe you think she actually did this.

*rubs temples*

Didn't mean to suggest I think she did. I don't give a shit she did or not.
Unless you mean to suggest you don't believe she actually cheated, because that totally happened. Whether or not it was for direct influence is I guess up for debate, but it's not a topic that interests me when we have an industry where a company can literally hand money and favors, or even actively and openly extort reviewers for positive air time.

I can't believe you don't care that she abused her boyfriend. Manipulated him and other people. Attacked people who had never done anything to her.
Her behavior has been terrible. Before and after this whole debacle.

Ryong · 10-10-2014, 09:09 AM

I like this one.

Both sides have had really, really terrible people in them, there's no question about it. Some good things have happened as I'm sure a lot of people will learn from this once it settles down, but currently it's been terrible. There are people on both sides who want to reach a consensus, who want to discuss these things but, more often than not, when they look at their group they see a lot of hate and if they try and talk with the other side they get the extremists, so a lot of these go silent.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-10-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim

And it's not that I'm excusing her abusive behavior. It's that someone so openly abusive is Really Hard To Trust when they claim their ex is The Real Abuser.

I have not seen anything to suggest that his claims were illegitimate or fabricated. If you have, I would love to see it.

I am not going to dismiss the story of an abused person because they reacted badly to being abused.

pochercoaster · 10-10-2014, 09:18 AM

Girlfriend cheats on boyfriend, girlfriend works in games and starts receiving rape and death threats... Seems reasonable, and the fact that women in gaming (and, indeed, women outside of gaming who side with feminism) are continually targeted with threats of violence certainly does not undermine the movement at all. Hey, let's just doxx every person who has ever cheated on anyone else. That'll certainly clear up corruption in journalism or whatever movement I want to use to cover up my misogyny.

10-10-2014, 08:43 AM	#32
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	I dismiss him because he actively worked with a group harassing her, her friend, and her family, and coached them on how to more easily get away with it. Dude is fucking abusive as hell. Also I dunno why the fuck you'd believe any claims about Quinn trying to destroy TFYC when the fuckers have ACTIVELY LIED on a repeated basis about the alleged doxxing and ddosing. The "doxxing" was someone linking a public Facebook post from the TFYC guy because it was gross, and the "DDOS" was Quinn literally just linking their website and the resulting traffic crashing it because their hosting was shitty. And the reason TFYC lies about this is when they'd even admitted this was the case before is because they decided to go full hog on cashing in off GamerGate for their own gain. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy Last edited by Kim; 10-10-2014 at 08:48 AM.

10-10-2014, 09:18 AM	#40
pochercoaster rollerpocher tycoon Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,808	Girlfriend cheats on boyfriend, girlfriend works in games and starts receiving rape and death threats... Seems reasonable, and the fact that women in gaming (and, indeed, women outside of gaming who side with feminism) are continually targeted with threats of violence certainly does not undermine the movement at all. Hey, let's just doxx every person who has ever cheated on anyone else. That'll certainly clear up corruption in journalism or whatever movement I want to use to cover up my misogyny. Last edited by pochercoaster; 10-10-2014 at 09:28 AM.

10-10-2014, 09:09 AM	#38
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	I like this one. Both sides have had really, really terrible people in them, there's no question about it. Some good things have happened as I'm sure a lot of people will learn from this once it settles down, but currently it's been terrible. There are people on both sides who want to reach a consensus, who want to discuss these things but, more often than not, when they look at their group they see a lot of hate and if they try and talk with the other side they get the extremists, so a lot of these go silent.