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Lost in Time · 10-14-2004, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerozord

:wmage: "Use your violance"
great line but didn't Sosa use it first in his comics?

That was actually "I'll Stop him with violence!"

Chrono · 10-14-2004, 08:02 PM

i'm sure this has been said but Kary has six arms why only 4 swords, whats in the other two arms.

or does she use those for magic perhaps?

Chief Justice Ninja · 10-14-2004, 08:39 PM

I think it was for space reasons. Mabye she plans to grapple BB while she skewers him with the 4 swords she has out.

Also, the early episodes clearly show that Hadoken is a fire-based spell:

BM: Do you know what happens to a Giant when it's blasted with a fireball? (006-next episode BM casts Hadoken)

RM's Master Plan: BM zaps Garland with a super fireball (111)

Thief: You're supposed to open this attack with a massive fireball spell, yet you're in the very back. (112-last panel clearly shows BM starting to cast Hadoken)

WM: Black Mage, just cast a big, horrible, destructive fireball spell so we can get out of here. (126)

The textual evidence clearly shows that Hadoken is simply a giant fireball. Thus it is a fire-based spell, Q.E.D.

Skyshot · 10-14-2004, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Justice Ninja

Also, the early episodes clearly show that Hadoken is a fire-based spell:

BM: Do you know what happens to a Giant when it's blasted with a fireball? (006-next episode BM casts Hadoken)

RM's Master Plan: BM zaps Garland with a super fireball (111)

Thief: You're supposed to open this attack with a massive fireball spell, yet you're in the very back. (112-last panel clearly shows BM starting to cast Hadoken)

WM: Black Mage, just cast a big, horrible, destructive fireball spell so we can get out of here. (126)

The textual evidence clearly shows that Hadoken is simply a giant fireball. Thus it is a fire-based spell, Q.E.D.

Many of your quotations are from people who have never studied dark magic, although the Black Mage line qualifies.

An earlier post concerning whether Hadoken was fire elemental:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarda

Yeah, in the way Red Adair was fire elemental.

For those of you who just had a thought relating to "Huh?", Red Adair was some guy who used explosives to put out oil fires.

For those of you who just had a thought relating to "What the -?", the point of the explosives was to use up the oxygen around the fires, thus putting them out.

Hmm...Black Mage seems to think that Kary's comment of not having killed anyone for three minutes being responsible for her irritability is perfectly reasonable. Rather disturbing character, him.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to drill holes in the heads of small, live, furry animals. Don't wait up.

Chrono · 10-14-2004, 09:23 PM

your sick (what kind of drill you using?)

Silver Wolf · 10-14-2004, 09:52 PM

And you call BM disturbing? *Shudders*

Arlia Janet · 10-14-2004, 10:18 PM

Kary seems to contradict herself. At first, she's annoyed because she has yet to satisfy her bloodlust, but, then at the end, she says, "Why do they come to me to die?"
Unless it is the 'thrill of the hunt' that she enjoys, she should be thinking, "Ohhhh! I don't have to try very hard to kill this one. Happy Day!"
.... maybe she just wants to have her cake and eat it too, but most likely I'm looking way too deep into this episode.

Qalelar · 10-15-2004, 12:13 AM

While your theory does have some merit, I will respond by saying how many different ways are there to make fire? Atomic detonations from hadoken being one of them. If you think about it you can make fire from a chunk of ice and the suns rays. It just takes patience.

Using another...and more final fantasy related....example I will go to ff7. Bahamut Zero would lob a huge blast of energy from outer space, very similar to hadoken. However what element is this based off? NONE it is non-elemental. Same can be said with bahamut and neo-bahamut, tho while thier attacks LOOKED fire based, they were in fact nonelemental and it even stated this in the description of the attack.

Same thing can be said using bahamut from ff9 and ff10. IMHO 7 is the better (and more played) of those 3 so I preferred to use that example.

Come to think of it, every ff game I can think of has had bahamut being non-elemental (someone post if this is in error I am curious now)

So while you can say it is fire based by it's name only, I say is fast food really fast? Are dr. pepper and mr pibb 2 totally different things? It is a name nothing more. Would you rather hadoken be described as a powerful high speed projectile that causes insane amounts of damage to whatever it hits? NO......so it is a fireball for short. Does not mean it is fire element.

Sesshoumaru · 10-15-2004, 12:29 AM

It's a nuke spell, lets just leave it at that. Btw, didn't someone mention that in the FF1 game, Kary could be hurt by fire spells (I don't know for sure if this is true because I just got FF Origins last week and haven't had much time to play it)?

Michael Morris · 10-15-2004, 01:48 AM

The US release of Final Fantasy has many coding errors that are corrected in Final Fantasy Origins. One of the more well known and prominent was that elemental weapons and armors grant no bonuses or penalties (i.e. fire armor was no better than mythral armor against fire attacks, fire swords did no extra damage against fire creatures, etc). Note that in the ORIGINAL Final Fantasy (Japanese release) these errors didn't appear - so something went wrong during the translation to the NES.

10-14-2004, 08:02 PM	#32
Chrono Chrono Trigger Master Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Off the coast of DC Posts: 97	i'm sure this has been said but Kary has six arms why only 4 swords, whats in the other two arms. or does she use those for magic perhaps? __________________ http://www.firstgiving.com/ryandunneforkids

10-14-2004, 08:39 PM	#33
Chief Justice Ninja Law Ninja Sensei Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 124	I think it was for space reasons. Mabye she plans to grapple BB while she skewers him with the 4 swords she has out. Also, the early episodes clearly show that Hadoken is a fire-based spell: BM: Do you know what happens to a Giant when it's blasted with a fireball? (006-next episode BM casts Hadoken) RM's Master Plan: BM zaps Garland with a super fireball (111) Thief: You're supposed to open this attack with a massive fireball spell, yet you're in the very back. (112-last panel clearly shows BM starting to cast Hadoken) WM: Black Mage, just cast a big, horrible, destructive fireball spell so we can get out of here. (126) The textual evidence clearly shows that Hadoken is simply a giant fireball. Thus it is a fire-based spell, Q.E.D. __________________ :thief: I'm glad you saw my side of it. :bmage: You'd be surprised what a platoon of heartless ninja lawyers can do in favor of a position Best Quotes: (001-100) BM: I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CAST THE SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN! (101-200) BM: Oh sweet zombie Jesus on a pogo stick! We're screwed. (201-300) RM: They may be monsters, but they're SEA monsters. What're gonna do? Flop on deck and suffocate at us threateningly?

10-14-2004, 09:23 PM	#35
Chrono Chrono Trigger Master Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Off the coast of DC Posts: 97	your sick (what kind of drill you using?) __________________ http://www.firstgiving.com/ryandunneforkids

10-14-2004, 09:52 PM	#36
Silver Wolf Wandering Wolf Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The frozen interior of Alaska Posts: 94	And you call BM disturbing? Shudders __________________ :bmage: She seems reasonable. Lets reason with her using our reason. :wmage: OR we could choose life over death and actually do something SMART for a change of pace! :bmage: And how are we supposed to do smart things? Just THINK them up?

10-14-2004, 10:18 PM	#37
Arlia Janet Worrying Myself Gray Join Date: May 2004 Location: Valley of Sunflowers Posts: 1,102	Kary seems to contradict herself. At first, she's annoyed because she has yet to satisfy her bloodlust, but, then at the end, she says, "Why do they come to me to die?" Unless it is the 'thrill of the hunt' that she enjoys, she should be thinking, "Ohhhh! I don't have to try very hard to kill this one. Happy Day!" .... maybe she just wants to have her cake and eat it too, but most likely I'm looking way too deep into this episode. __________________ Fortuna Saga (Complete) Hymns of the Apostate (Complete) My Guest Comics: In A World... Corneria's Kick Ass Newspaper

10-15-2004, 12:13 AM	#38
Qalelar Goomba Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 11	While your theory does have some merit, I will respond by saying how many different ways are there to make fire? Atomic detonations from hadoken being one of them. If you think about it you can make fire from a chunk of ice and the suns rays. It just takes patience. Using another...and more final fantasy related....example I will go to ff7. Bahamut Zero would lob a huge blast of energy from outer space, very similar to hadoken. However what element is this based off? NONE it is non-elemental. Same can be said with bahamut and neo-bahamut, tho while thier attacks LOOKED fire based, they were in fact nonelemental and it even stated this in the description of the attack. Same thing can be said using bahamut from ff9 and ff10. IMHO 7 is the better (and more played) of those 3 so I preferred to use that example. Come to think of it, every ff game I can think of has had bahamut being non-elemental (someone post if this is in error I am curious now) So while you can say it is fire based by it's name only, I say is fast food really fast? Are dr. pepper and mr pibb 2 totally different things? It is a name nothing more. Would you rather hadoken be described as a powerful high speed projectile that causes insane amounts of damage to whatever it hits? NO......so it is a fireball for short. Does not mean it is fire element. __________________ Thieves lead from the front and do it from behind.

10-15-2004, 12:29 AM	#39
Sesshoumaru Tyrannus Rex Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 616	It's a nuke spell, lets just leave it at that. Btw, didn't someone mention that in the FF1 game, Kary could be hurt by fire spells (I don't know for sure if this is true because I just got FF Origins last week and haven't had much time to play it)?

10-15-2004, 01:48 AM	#40
Michael Morris Usually Lurking Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Knoxville TN Posts: 153	The US release of Final Fantasy has many coding errors that are corrected in Final Fantasy Origins. One of the more well known and prominent was that elemental weapons and armors grant no bonuses or penalties (i.e. fire armor was no better than mythral armor against fire attacks, fire swords did no extra damage against fire creatures, etc). Note that in the ORIGINAL Final Fantasy (Japanese release) these errors didn't appear - so something went wrong during the translation to the NES.