PhoenixFlame Presents: Eclipse Phase - Page 47

Krylo · 05-28-2010, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overcast

No one should trust the Factors. The fact that they are aliens, they represent a collective of other aliens, and didn't bother to do anything with us until we were post almost-fucking-killed-ourselves just makes them a fount of suspicion.

Also they JUST HAPPENED to be within range of that habitat whose life support failed JUST in time to save them so they could JUST HAPPEN to quell our fears and integrate themselves into our society.

There's also the fact that they've been 'watching us for some time' and are just now warning us against seed AI. Which we had already developed pre fall. And destroyed our civilization.

That's like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot and then mentioning that they should make sure the safety is on.

THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP GUYS!

Then they also warn us away from the Pandora Gates, apparently trying to keep us in our own little corner of the galaxy for some reason... and we've never seen any of these other supposed aliens they supposedly represent.

Mostly I'd just like to explore around them and see what's up.

Overcast · 05-28-2010, 02:19 AM

Indeed, a bit more information about them would be nice. Even kinder, it would be good to see what sort of dastardly things are being done to put Ecologene in their good graces. It might complicate the whole immortality thing if the aliens are putting together a genetic anti-human failsafe for when we get out of line.

Arhra · 05-28-2010, 02:26 AM

Genetics?

Humanity should survive anything short of an infoplague.

Overcast · 05-28-2010, 02:30 AM

Transhumanity as far as I know still builds itself off of its baseline genetic structuring when it comes to biomorphs(a la DNA) since there hasn't yet been a surge of xeno based biotech. The clanking masses would do fine, but it would be one hell of a doom for them to send out something that specifically targeted our genetic structure since their own may be wildly different.

Arhra · 05-28-2010, 02:34 AM

We can resleeve them! We have the technology.

But yeah, it would make a real mess, especially if they took advantage of the chaos.

Aerozord · 05-28-2010, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krylo

Also they JUST HAPPENED to be within range of that habitat whose life support failed JUST in time to save them so they could JUST HAPPEN to quell our fears and integrate themselves into our society.

There's also the fact that they've been 'watching us for some time' and are just now warning us against seed AI. Which we had already developed pre fall. And destroyed our civilization.

That's like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot and then mentioning that they should make sure the safety is on.

THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP GUYS!

Then they also warn us away from the Pandora Gates, apparently trying to keep us in our own little corner of the galaxy for some reason... and we've never seen any of these other supposed aliens they supposedly represent.

Mostly I'd just like to explore around them and see what's up.

I did find that abit odd. Unless they are vastly inferior to the TITANs, wouldn't it make logical sense to have come in and help us? Why just sit back and watch them do, what ever exactly it is they did. They didn't upload all those people just because they are OCD, whatever their goal that was part of it and they succeeded. If the Factors are truely against them, they should have attempted to keep them from completing their task

Krylo · 05-28-2010, 03:33 AM

My personal crazy conspiracy theory is that the TITANs weren't the bad guys but just another victim.

The Factors work for some exorace (or are the exorace) which watches for when a civilization achieves singularity and then stomps it by using the exsurgent virus. The exsurgent virus is hinted to have affected the TITANs as well as the humans to similar effect.

So my crazy conspiracy theory is that whatever exorace first built the pandora gates, waited for us to hit singularity, and then infected us with exsurgent (which mutates AND controls its victims) and stole a bunch of our minds to steal our technology/science/culture (which, though inferior, would have evolved along different paths than their own and such have potentially valuable information to build off of) through exsurgent infected TITANs, and put an end to us. We got lucky and survived, but it put an end to our singularity so instead of wiping us out they're watching us through the factors.

This is also what happened to the Ikoma and perhaps other races linked by the Pandora Gates that we haven't found yet.

The Factors don't want us poking around in them because they don't want us to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, as it were.

Note: Lind doesn't think any of this. This is my own crazy conspiracy speculation.

Overcast · 05-28-2010, 04:05 AM

Dammit I keep staring at the start of the game information section but I know learning it through roleplaying will feel so much more amusing so I stifle the urges.

Still it is causing a buildup of anticipation.

Geminex · 05-28-2010, 06:30 AM

Question, how many years AF will we be beginning?

Edit:
And in response to your conspiracy theories, there's two plausible reasons (I think) for the Factors' refusal to contact us until after the fall.
a) Bureaucracy. They say they represent a number of alien civilisations. Assuming that the system isn't hierarchic (i.e. no civilisation rules over another), each of these civilisations would have had an opinion on whether or not to contact humanity. Maybe it took them several years' worth of debate, maybe they were just afraid to contact us before we had utterly screwed ourselves over. Perhaps humanity was developing technologically much faster than they were, and they were afraid that contacting us while we were "at our peak" would result in agression, leading to a long-term conflict, in which we'd eventually gain the technological edge, and the Fall weakened us sufficiently for them not to see too much of a threat in us.

b) Caution.
The description of the "Fall" says that the TITANS spread everywhere where humans had reached. Contact between Factor and humans would have meant that seed AI might've spread to the titans as well. So, they saw that we were developing seed AI, they decided they probably couldn't stop us, they quarantined us until the TITANS had destroyed us, or had left.
...
Mind you, how they'd know that the TITANS were going to leave, I cannot explain. Hell, I don't even know why the Titans left (or if they even did), though I'm certain page 354 holds the answer.

Krylo · 05-28-2010, 06:35 AM

Default setting is 10 AF.

05-28-2010, 02:19 AM	#462
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	Indeed, a bit more information about them would be nice. Even kinder, it would be good to see what sort of dastardly things are being done to put Ecologene in their good graces. It might complicate the whole immortality thing if the aliens are putting together a genetic anti-human failsafe for when we get out of line. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

05-28-2010, 02:26 AM	#463
Arhra Ara ara! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neo Venezia Posts: 5,013	Genetics? Humanity should survive anything short of an infoplague. __________________ This post is a good source of Ara ara, ufufu.* *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This post is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

05-28-2010, 02:30 AM	#464
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	Transhumanity as far as I know still builds itself off of its baseline genetic structuring when it comes to biomorphs(a la DNA) since there hasn't yet been a surge of xeno based biotech. The clanking masses would do fine, but it would be one hell of a doom for them to send out something that specifically targeted our genetic structure since their own may be wildly different. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

05-28-2010, 02:34 AM	#465
Arhra Ara ara! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neo Venezia Posts: 5,013	We can resleeve them! We have the technology. But yeah, it would make a real mess, especially if they took advantage of the chaos. __________________ This post is a good source of Ara ara, ufufu.* *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This post is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

05-28-2010, 03:33 AM	#467
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	My personal crazy conspiracy theory is that the TITANs weren't the bad guys but just another victim. The Factors work for some exorace (or are the exorace) which watches for when a civilization achieves singularity and then stomps it by using the exsurgent virus. The exsurgent virus is hinted to have affected the TITANs as well as the humans to similar effect. So my crazy conspiracy theory is that whatever exorace first built the pandora gates, waited for us to hit singularity, and then infected us with exsurgent (which mutates AND controls its victims) and stole a bunch of our minds to steal our technology/science/culture (which, though inferior, would have evolved along different paths than their own and such have potentially valuable information to build off of) through exsurgent infected TITANs, and put an end to us. We got lucky and survived, but it put an end to our singularity so instead of wiping us out they're watching us through the factors. This is also what happened to the Ikoma and perhaps other races linked by the Pandora Gates that we haven't found yet. The Factors don't want us poking around in them because they don't want us to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, as it were. Note: Lind doesn't think any of this. This is my own crazy conspiracy speculation. __________________ I am very tired.

05-28-2010, 04:05 AM	#468
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	Dammit I keep staring at the start of the game information section but I know learning it through roleplaying will feel so much more amusing so I stifle the urges. Still it is causing a buildup of anticipation. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

05-28-2010, 06:30 AM	#469
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Question, how many years AF will we be beginning? Edit: And in response to your conspiracy theories, there's two plausible reasons (I think) for the Factors' refusal to contact us until after the fall. a) Bureaucracy. They say they represent a number of alien civilisations. Assuming that the system isn't hierarchic (i.e. no civilisation rules over another), each of these civilisations would have had an opinion on whether or not to contact humanity. Maybe it took them several years' worth of debate, maybe they were just afraid to contact us before we had utterly screwed ourselves over. Perhaps humanity was developing technologically much faster than they were, and they were afraid that contacting us while we were "at our peak" would result in agression, leading to a long-term conflict, in which we'd eventually gain the technological edge, and the Fall weakened us sufficiently for them not to see too much of a threat in us. b) Caution. The description of the "Fall" says that the TITANS spread everywhere where humans had reached. Contact between Factor and humans would have meant that seed AI might've spread to the titans as well. So, they saw that we were developing seed AI, they decided they probably couldn't stop us, they quarantined us until the TITANS had destroyed us, or had left. ... Mind you, how they'd know that the TITANS were going to leave, I cannot explain. Hell, I don't even know why the Titans left (or if they even did), though I'm certain page 354 holds the answer. Last edited by Geminex; 05-28-2010 at 06:41 AM.

05-28-2010, 06:35 AM	#470
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Default setting is 10 AF. __________________ I am very tired.