Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[BitVyper]

@ POS: That is all heavily speculative.

Edit: Like you're using speculation as evidence for other speculation.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

@ POS: That is all heavily speculative.

People keep saying that to me in this thread and they keep getting proven wrong.

I'd wish you'd all start to put two and two together there but after this long I've given up all hope.

But once again:

Originally Posted by POS Industries

I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just really really worried that it will, because it's very likely all those characters are slated to be killed off anyway seeing where the plot is going at the moment.

[Locke cole]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

And heck, you can't even rely on a genocidal justification for Eridan's motivations because the first thing he kills is the one other sea-dweller present.

Really, I feel that the reason he killed Feferi was quite simple.

She denied him.

He offered her a chance to come with him and join Jack, an offer he only gave her because she was the only other sea-dweller, and she refused him. Attacked him, even, when he KO'd Sollux. At that moment, I do believe that he decided that he was done with her: if she was going to always refuse him like this, then he'd lost his patience with her for good.

As for Kanaya, I do believe that he was venting a lot of anger at the time, and Kanaya was the next person to attack him. I think the reason he didn't stay to kill Sollux or Karkat was because that wasn't his goal. He only came to the terminal to try and persuade Feferi to come with him, and then leave to find Jack. The Matriorb's destruction was simply something he added to his agenda, because it represented hope. After Feferi refused his offer, he really only cared about leaving, and anyone that stood in his way was an enemy.

[BitVyper]

People keep saying that to me in this thread and they keep getting proven wrong.

Er.... I'm not.... directly opposing a prediction. I'm saying that using "troll/human ships aren't going to happen" as evidence that deaths were for simplicity's sake is starting from a made up premise.

But once again

I guess I could post my initial response to that again, but infinite recursion gives me a headache, so I'll just say I can see this playing out a lot of ways, but I don't really see any reason for suspicion of Suddenly Shitty Writing.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Er.... I'm not.... directly opposing a prediction. I'm saying that using "troll/human ships aren't going to happen" as evidence that deaths were for simplicity's sake is starting from a made up premise.

I guess I'm assuming that because if it does:

I swear I will walk to Andrew's house and punch him.

I mean it'd be just such a contrived bullshit thing to put in. They don't even have compatible reproductive organs, so unless you consider a hot night of operating a paradox cloning machine to be the pinnacle of romance I really don't understand the appeal here.

EDIT: Which I guess is something that goes more into the heteronormative thing but if you want my actual plot justifications I guess it's more that I feel like every other potential pairing surrounding John, Rose, Dave, Jade, Karkat, and Terezi has had better buildup and chemistry than any of the possible ones involving either incest or cross-species involvement.

EDIT EDIT: Oh my god I do not want to be the guy discussing the potential sex lives of adolescents from two separate species but by "compatible" I just mean as far as actually being enjoyable to each other, not in terms of baby making. Because I don't know what the trolls have going on but what they've alluded to so far sounds absolutely terrifying and I'm sure they probably feel the same way about what us humans are packing.

[Solid Snake]

Wacky Tangents Incoming

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Kanaya can't be allowed to live and be the saddest lesbian because that's bullshit too, so killing her off to avoid the issue entirely is a quick, easy way to solve the problem.

...Maybe I'm just an unrealistically huge Kanaya fan and that's biased my perspective or something, but I actually:
A) Assumed Rose was likely heterosexual and/or not interested in alien romance, and thus that ship wasn't going to sail, and;
B) Thought that a well-written storyline dealing with Rose rejecting Kanaya in an amicable and respectful fashion would actually have a profound positive impact on Kanaya, the storyline itself and even the LGBT readers and allies who strongly identified with her characterization.

An arbitrary division into dual possibilities of "lesbians in love, happily ever after" or "she has to die because she can't get her lesbians in love, happily ever after ending" seems ludicrous and offensive to the LGBT community and its allies, in my opinion.

The best stories that allude to the struggles of alternative-sexuality adolescents in society would inevitably touch upon the sheer statistical liklihood that their romantic interests wouldn't pan out into an idealistic "happily ever after" scenario. Assuming positive messages were reinforced to readers, the heterosexual recipient of unrequited affection would react positively (as I believe Rose was) to the interest even while declining the future opportunity of romance.

And, given the nature of troll sexuality, I suppose even a rejection from Rose wouldn't necessarily mean the end of all romantic options for Kanaya, although concededly I would have been a bit ticked if she pursued a male RedRom partner (but Kanaya and Karkat would've been the best moirails.)

Maybe I was giving Andrew too much credit as an author but I really thought, or perhaps hoped, he could pull it off. As is, it just feels rather hetero-normative to outright avoid the complications of the lesbian crush by killing off Kanaya and reducing the alternative-sexuality character to a minor status, while continuing the hetero-normative trend of leaving the major participants in heterosexual pairings intact (here's looking at you, Karkat and Terezi, and/or Karkat and Jade, and/or Dave and Jade, and/or Dave and Terezi.)

It's a virtual certainty that at least one heterosexual couple survives the onslaught, the only question is which pairing it'd be: whereas the "homosexual" characters in fiction are often either marginalized into smaller supporting roles so they don't "offend" or "intercede" on the hetero-normative expectations of a majority of viewers, "complicate" a happy ending with an unrequited crush...or, well, yeah.

Bottom line is it's rare for an alternative-sexuality character to have a leading role in a story unless his or her sexuality is like the main selling point of the story itself, in which case the work is largely being catered to the LGBT community itself and has only a minimal impact on perceptions or culture outside it (think Will and Grace.) Kanaya represented a refreshing change as she was a really fascinating, well-developed character who I adored and whose sexuality (if she even could identify as a "lesbian") was simultaneously a part of who she was but also not all-encompassing or exclusionary.

In that sense Andrew had a really phenomenal opportunity to develop Kanaya into a rare kind of character in modern fiction, the kind who could have a strong impact not just with LGBT readers but also with (former) conservatives and (ex)-homophobes (like me, circa, when was it, 2005?) who were rooting for her. I imagine readers who actually were conservatives or homophobes could have been touched by her story.

Sadly...Andrew decided to forfeit that chance. He sacrificed all that incredible effort he put into developing what was, at least subjectively speaking, my favorite Homestuck character.

...Now it's time for NonCon to start shouting at me for trying to pretend a heterosexual can talk about these issues.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Locke cole

Really, I feel that the reason he killed Feferi was quite simple.

She denied him.

...You do realize that I essentially typed that exact reasoning as Eridan's justification for offing Feferi mere sentences after the ones you quoted there, right?
...Just sayin', I agree with you.

[Locke cole]

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[Fifthfiend]

WAY TO STRAIGHTSPLAIN ASSHOLE 2x outrage-appropriation combo!

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

WAY TO STRAIGHTSPLAIN ASSHOLE

[Locke cole]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

STRAIGHTSPLAIN

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