Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 495

Overcast · 02-01-2011, 06:14 AM

Eridan always had the potential to become what he is right now. With a mixture of am unwarranted sense of self importance, pathetic romantic life, stubborn inflexibility, murderous tendency, frequent access to massive power. He had become something of the butt of every romantic joke that could occur in the comic, and while it may seem weird to you that doesn't have a positive effect on anyone. Especially not here at the end of the world. He in fact has not developed any more than he used to be, the only real difference is he is now stuck on a few new philosophies. Things like how he is the only one that can make things work out since he is the prince of hope, his absolute belief that nothing can stop him since the intervention of white science, and a subtle sort of thought that anyone who doesn't agree with him is going to die anyway.

Gamzee had no room for development whatsoever until we broke his religion. The thought being was he was not only functionally retarded, but he was also mentally inflexible always believing things will turn out for the better given enough time. With the death of his religion proper we took his inflexible mind and forced it to try to comprehend a world where everything he knew was wrong. This could only end up going one of two ways, either he would regress down into something normal or he was just going to snap. In this case the revelation, combined with the sudden removal of his drug habit was enough to break him and now he is out to do some terrible things.

I'm not saying that this wasn't done for the plot, but I am saying that it is perfectly normal for both characters if you think about it.

It is odd, the trolls doomed themselves the moment they won, because without the kids they never would have been forced to this point.

Wigmund · 02-01-2011, 09:09 AM

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GG: a bunch of trolls are not nearly as bad as i thought
GG: even karkat! he has been helping me too... sort of, hehe
EB: he has? but i thought he "hated" you!
GG: oh yeah, he said plenty of stuff like that, but i dont think he ever actually meant it
GG: flying off the handle is part is of his charm in a funny way, once you know that about him

Jade<3Karkat :3

Fifthfiend · 02-01-2011, 12:58 PM

Like on the one hand I can see where Eridan is basically meant to be George Sodini but on the other hand IDK that the comic ever exactly set up the furious bitterness at his rejections that would have bridged the gap between those rejections and his killing spree, although possibly the whole goddamn Black Chemical Romance thing just makes that really hard to separate out.

Krylo · 02-01-2011, 02:19 PM

I think part of it is that the entire Troll culture is pretty toxic and full of killing and murder as par for the course. Like, they have giant armored monsters (who are apparently related to Gamzee) that roll around and murder the shit out of you if you don't 'get lucky' by a set age. They have a LARP-esque game where getting murdered/murdering isn't considered out of the ordinary. They let giant monsters that demand human sacrifice raise their young.

I think trying to look at Eridan through the lens of human society, where killing is pretty much only ever done on the fringes of society--or at least we do a good job of pretending that is so--when he's been raised in troll society, where the opposite is true, is probably where a lot of the disbelief over his particular murderous intentions comes from.

The other parts of troll society (like black romance, et. al.) probably don't help much, either.

Arcanum · 02-01-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Like, they have giant armored monsters (who are apparently related to Gamzee) that roll around and murder the shit out of you if you don't 'get lucky' by a set age.

You're talking about the Imperial Drones, which have nothing to do with the Subjugglators that Gamzee claims to be the last descendant of. Just pointing that out

Specterbane · 02-01-2011, 11:03 PM

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EB: i even saw my own dead body in a cloud!
GG: what!!!!!

Oh, John. You are the King of nonchalance.

Locke cole · 02-02-2011, 12:37 AM

You cannot beat John in a nonchalance contest, he is simply etc.

And I think I was premature before.

this is the best thing.

MuMu · 02-02-2011, 12:38 AM

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GG: im going to be a supportive piece of shit all day and fall down all this trust!
EB: how trustworthy do you even have to BE to CONFIDE in someone like that.

I love these moments where the kids are just adorable kids

Krylo · 02-02-2011, 12:41 AM

She found your dad, John.

John... there's something you need to hear. You... you might want to put down the car.

Locke cole · 02-02-2011, 12:42 AM

It turns out he's in the Land of Cake and Ice Cream and he didn't invite you!

02-01-2011, 06:14 AM	#4941
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	Eridan always had the potential to become what he is right now. With a mixture of am unwarranted sense of self importance, pathetic romantic life, stubborn inflexibility, murderous tendency, frequent access to massive power. He had become something of the butt of every romantic joke that could occur in the comic, and while it may seem weird to you that doesn't have a positive effect on anyone. Especially not here at the end of the world. He in fact has not developed any more than he used to be, the only real difference is he is now stuck on a few new philosophies. Things like how he is the only one that can make things work out since he is the prince of hope, his absolute belief that nothing can stop him since the intervention of white science, and a subtle sort of thought that anyone who doesn't agree with him is going to die anyway. Gamzee had no room for development whatsoever until we broke his religion. The thought being was he was not only functionally retarded, but he was also mentally inflexible always believing things will turn out for the better given enough time. With the death of his religion proper we took his inflexible mind and forced it to try to comprehend a world where everything he knew was wrong. This could only end up going one of two ways, either he would regress down into something normal or he was just going to snap. In this case the revelation, combined with the sudden removal of his drug habit was enough to break him and now he is out to do some terrible things. I'm not saying that this wasn't done for the plot, but I am saying that it is perfectly normal for both characters if you think about it. It is odd, the trolls doomed themselves the moment they won, because without the kids they never would have been forced to this point. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

02-01-2011, 12:58 PM	#4943
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	Like on the one hand I can see where Eridan is basically meant to be George Sodini but on the other hand IDK that the comic ever exactly set up the furious bitterness at his rejections that would have bridged the gap between those rejections and his killing spree, although possibly the whole goddamn Black Chemical Romance thing just makes that really hard to separate out. __________________ check out my buttspresso Last edited by Fifthfiend; 02-01-2011 at 01:01 PM.

02-01-2011, 02:19 PM	#4944
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	I think part of it is that the entire Troll culture is pretty toxic and full of killing and murder as par for the course. Like, they have giant armored monsters (who are apparently related to Gamzee) that roll around and murder the shit out of you if you don't 'get lucky' by a set age. They have a LARP-esque game where getting murdered/murdering isn't considered out of the ordinary. They let giant monsters that demand human sacrifice raise their young. I think trying to look at Eridan through the lens of human society, where killing is pretty much only ever done on the fringes of society--or at least we do a good job of pretending that is so--when he's been raised in troll society, where the opposite is true, is probably where a lot of the disbelief over his particular murderous intentions comes from. The other parts of troll society (like black romance, et. al.) probably don't help much, either. __________________ I am very tired.

02-02-2011, 12:41 AM	#4949
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	She found your dad, John. John... there's something you need to hear. You... you might want to put down the car. __________________ I am very tired.