Basic Roles Mafia

[Ogianres]

First off, let me explain Ogianres' scale of scumminess:
Pinky of Suspicion < Finger of Suspicion < Hand of Suspicion < Vote.

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Nique seems to be pushing this whole, 'No Lynch Vote" thing pretty hard, when from experience, I can see that's a terrible idea. So, UNVOTE: Whoever I was voting for,
VOTE: NIQUE

I thought about this post for a little bit and decided that it was not worth more than a P (pinky) OS. Pushing a no-lynch is not neccessarily an indication of guilt, or only a small one at most, but pushing a vote on someone pushing a no-lynch is a little scummy, but then I decided after,

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Oh, fuck it, let's just end the day.

UNVOTE: B_REAL
VOTE: Mr. Bookworm

which is worth a H (hand) OS to me, adds together to make me feel I should VOTE: Nikose. The day is not something to be rushed, ever. It is the town's only assurance of being able to lynch someone, and, since you voted for Nique for not wanting a lynch, I believe that you might agree with me that taking away the day phase quickly is not helpful. We need every lynch we can get, and we need all the time we can use to choose our lynch. Pushing a lynch to end the day is detrimental to town efforts, and allows the mafia to kill more quickly.

Or, of course, Nikose could have been agreeing with already-expressed concerns about Mr. Bookworm and was just making an off-comment, but I'd prefer to pressure a reaction than assume good faith when playing Mafia.

[Death by Stabbing]

POS: Nique...42 fingered him earlier...hmmm....

[Major Blood]

Originally Posted by Death by Stabbing

POS: Nique...42 fingered him earlier...hmmm....

Lets also remember that since 42 never got to use his PO powers, there's no way he could know what Nique's role could be.

EDIT - Eh, did i say that? Disregard this post. Just me getting the roles confused.

[Fifthfiend]

Some people might be tempted to blame themselves for what just happened, but I'm willing to be brave enough to say it was all Bookworm's fault.

[Nique]

Actually, I don't entirely disagree with that idea. PO is an important role and I didn't see a whole lot of effort to preserve it in light of an iminent lynching. Unfortunate, but we've kind of made our bed now. No choice but to move forward.

Originally Posted by DBS

POS: Nique...42 fingered him earlier...hmmm....

I must have missed this earlier, but upon review yeah I guess I did get a little FOS from 42. The only problem there is that Nikose is actually the one who led that line of thought, so he likely would have recieved the bullets in the back instead of 42. In anycase, the FOS on me was so short lived that I didn't really notice it as a townie, and I probably wouldn't have cared much as a Mafia member unless it started getting out of hand.

And I don't want to get TOO defensive here, but I also did try to stop the killing of our late Police Officer, Mr. Bookworm.

Now, on to the mystery!

I'm not real solid on this, but we DO play with red herrings at times, correct? So our clue is that 42 was shot 3 times. If you'll please, take a look at B_real's avatar. Done? Ok good. Now you will understand why I am;
FOS on B_Real_Shadows

I further suspect that the 'tiff' between Nikose and B_real was merely a clever ruse they staged in order to distract us from their ties to the Mafia. So!
FOS on Nikose

[Nikose Tyris]

There were several tiffs between you and other players, Nique.

But just to point out- Fellatio of Suspicions are very serious things, and unlike votes, you can't take them back. Be careful and think before you use them, as you can cast suspicion on Townies and never be able to take it back.

I rushed to an end vote at the end of the day because there was already 6 votes on Bookwork- nobody was likely to want to push it forward anymore, and CC would end up having to wait and let the game stagnate, since as a rule, Nobody wants to risk that last little "Oomph" vote, and in favor of keeping the game alive, I made that last oomph for the vote list. Yes, it killed the PO, which was an accident. I honestly agreed wtih the other votes, and didn't feel the need to keep pushing the whole idea on it.

THAT being said- I'm looking at FifthFiend and Nique as mafia, myself. I'm completely ignoring B_real now, as he's broken his record of first night death.

Nique was pushing No Lynch (1), which i find incredibly scummy, and he kept pushing it even after it was explained that No Lynch is a TERRIBLE idea. No Lynch is a vote for suicide, or a vote for Mafia to win. He also was bickering with Petunias more than me.

FifthFiend was going back and forth with bookworm, and it's FifthFiend. I can't see Fifthfiend being Mafia in his first game- but I still think that anything's possible, and who knows? Maybe I'm right.

[Nique]

First off, fifth is too much of a wild card to suspect that he is anything. In a way, his personality is one that is best suited for 'Mafia' becuase he'll probably BS around so much in any role he is given that you'll never know what to think. Also, it's not like he got to pick his role in this game.

And I do stand by both of my FOSs, given the current situation. I'm assuming that the Mafia in this game are playing smart. I mean, 42's death tells us nothing! It's the perfect crime, becuase he wasn't a threat to any mafia (he went along with that first lynch which I am pretty sure was supported by the mafia) so how would we trace motive to someone else? What I'm looking at is 1) what i percieve as 'scummy' behavior, and 2) the method of the killing.

Originally Posted by Nikose

I rushed to an end vote at the end

And I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but this makes me suspect you.

No Lynch is a vote for suicide, or a vote for Mafia to win.

I still fail to see how keeping an extra townie alive hurts us or is scummy in any way. I mean, we JUST killed the Police Officier! I'm sure there's a good argument for ignoring a 'no lynch' movement somewhere in there but 'no lynch' is a neutral position at worst. There's no way it helps the Mafia.

He also was bickering with Petunias more than me.

True. But again, it was about not lynching who we now know was the Police Officer.

[Nikose Tyris]

While this is true- A no lynch is a terrible vote- it denies the town the ONLY way of attacking the mafia. and as much as sitting and hoping for a possible red herring, the GM has no reason to give one out. Voting a no lynch is saying, "Okay, cool. We'll sit here so we're easier to kill." In the end, this is a glorified Guessing game, with a bit of strategy mixed in. A no Lynch is a bad vote, plane and simple.

And although we had no way of knowing he was the PO, neither did the Mafia. It was bad luck that Petunias died- But that doesn't make a single person who voted for him scummy in any way.

[Ogianres]

Originally Posted by Nique

I still fail to see how keeping an extra townie alive hurts us or is scummy in any way. I mean, we JUST killed the Police Officier! I'm sure there's a good argument for ignoring a 'no lynch' movement somewhere in there but 'no lynch' is a neutral position at worst. There's no way it helps the Mafia.

No lynch is not a "neutral" vote, it is a vote to end the day and let the mafia kill whoever they want. I know that we have a doc and a cop, but on the first night, the doc has a 1/11 chance of protecting the right person, and the cop can't exactly just come forward with their investigation. Of course you run the risk of killing a townie, or a power role, but you need to take that risk, a risk that may pay off by lowering the mafia's numbers by a third. To not lynch is not helpful.

Originally Posted by Nique

True. But again, it was about not lynching who we now know was the Police Officer.

Nobody could have known Bookworm was a cop at the time, except for Bookworm himself. He was acting in a way that obviously convinced several town-aligned people that he was scum.
FOS: Nique

[Nique]

No lynch is not a "neutral" vote, it is a vote to end the day and let the mafia kill whoever they want.

Which they'll do anyway? It's losing only one person vs. losing two people.

It was bad luck that Petunias died

Do you mean Mr. Bookworm? If so, then no, the odds were against us in the first place. MATH MAKES IT REAL!