The Beatles aren't that great.

[Lord of Joshelplex]

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

And oh, dont get me started on dragonforce.

Do tell. I wanna know your reasons for hating them.

[Lumenskir]

Like I've been saying before: What the hell are kids thinking these days? That shit doesnt sound good no matter HOW old you are, or HOW inexperienced you are with real music. And it cant even be called "new" rock. Its recycled music wth a downbeat tone, and then raped until it isnt good anymore.

And... whatever happened to good singers?

And in my day, a man doffed his hat when a lady entered an elevator, and you could see a double feature down at the nickelodeon for just three cents, course you didn't wanna waste the three cents since ol' Pa only made a buck o' five a year and we had to butter our street cobbles with elbow grease, but only for nice Sunday dinners, but at least we had music playing out of the radio.

Sorry about that, but you just came off as mindbogglingly reactionary there. Oh shit, [given genre] music holds no appeal for you, how is everyone else coping?

Again, sorry if this seems like a personal attack, but there's a difference between what Nique said ("Hmm, I don't like this, with vehement overtones of disgust.") and basically saying that no one with a functioning brain could enjoy it.

Also, am I the only person who thinks that the only thing as annoying as saying "All music made after [40s/50s/60s/70s/90s/whatever] is bullshit" is saying "All music from the past is bullshit"? I went through about a year of actively avoiding the Beatles because my suite-mate would expound at great lengths on how they were the best band ever whenever I offered up a band who released an album in the 2000's. Then I met a guy who expounded at great lengths that the Beatles were overrated and under talented and I could never talk about music with him again.

[akaSM]

Well, sorta like Solid-Snake, my music taste is really messed up, I have to listen to something in order to see if I like it, though I prefer lyrics-less stuff. Wow, how can the thing in Magus' post be called music? It's more like the sound made by TV's when they don't have cable or an antenna or anything plus someone screaming as if he had an open wound and someone else was rubbing a jalapeno in that wound, increased a ton of times O.o

[Frostatine]

I like a lot of newer stuff. I mean the complaints that people have about all the new bands could be had for a lot of the old bands. For instance: 80's rock/metal is great, honestly I love it, but there are a lot of similarities between the various metal artists. I mean, there are only so many sounds you can make with a guitar before you have to stop and admit that everything you hear isn't going to be fresh and completely original.

I've always been a fan of alternative rock and a lot of 90's grunge stuff. Punk and new metal have their gems as well. Recently I've grown a taste for underground rap. For some reason I can't stop listening to Dr. Octagon.

But yeah, I don't like it when someone screams at me about how their girlfriend left them while obviously drunk, so there's no incentive for me to pay for it.

[Cid Highwind]

Originally Posted by Lumenskir

And in my day, a man doffed his hat when a lady entered an elevator, and you could see a double feature down at the nickelodeon for just three cents, course you didn't wanna waste the three cents since ol' Pa only made a buck o' five a year and we had to butter our street cobbles with elbow grease, but only for nice Sunday dinners, but at least we had music playing out of the radio.

Sorry about that, but you just came off as mindbogglingly reactionary there. Oh shit, [given genre] music holds no appeal for you, how is everyone else coping?

Again, sorry if this seems like a personal attack, but there's a difference between what Nique said ("Hmm, I don't like this, with vehement overtones of disgust.") and basically saying that no one with a functioning brain could enjoy it.

Also, am I the only person who thinks that the only thing as annoying as saying "All music made after [40s/50s/60s/70s/90s/whatever] is bullshit" is saying "All music from the past is bullshit"? I went through about a year of actively avoiding the Beatles because my suite-mate would expound at great lengths on how they were the best band ever whenever I offered up a band who released an album in the 2000's. Then I met a guy who expounded at great lengths that the Beatles were overrated and under talented and I could never talk about music with him again.

Hm, yes. Youre justified in that. But I dont mean that all music after a certain date is bad. Definately not. But some of these highly praised musicians arent that good at all, and I frankly cant see the appeal in it at all. And beleive me, I've tried. But then again, its teen music was it ever all that good, in any generation?


And, LoJ, I dont know if youre asking me to explain why I hate Dragonforce as an angry fan, or as someone who shares the viewpoint. Because I seriously am tired of arguing with fans. I play guitar hero, the reason why I'm tired of that should be obvious.

SUPER EDIT-

Originally Posted by Cid Highwind

Iloveyou.

Oh right, youre obviously not a big fan.
So youve got this band that plays some cheesy, overdone power metal, right? And thats cool in its own way, to each his own. I mean, the music was bad at times, but there were some good thingws that came from it, like Yngwie Malmstein, whom I'm not a huge fan of, but he was a skilled damn guitarist. And a lot of the musicians from then were good, skilled players. Its not easy shit to play. And then this one band comes out, like 15 years after power metal is dead and stiff. Alright, you guys missed the boat, but its cool, lets see what you got! And they come out with some carbon-copy, cover-song variety, vanilla unthought lyrics, straight out of the worst albums of its genre metal abominations. Guys, this is 2005. What youre doing was bad when it was new, over a decade ago, but it was bearable because it blended in. But that shit doesnt fly now. You guys are kidding, right? Its a joke band, isnt it? No, they're quite serious. But they must be skilled with their instruments, because that shit is pretty fast. It IS pretty complicated. Even thought they cant write, they have skill... right? And then they played live. They can dress up a studio album quite well, I mean, this is the computer age. You can dress up mary had a little lamb into an epic rock song for the ages with a little editing and soem synth-action. Hell NIN does it all the time! But this shit is inexcusable! Not only cant you write, but you cant play your own shitty songs! You can barely play anyones shitty songs! Yet, through it all, someone hails them as the best band ever, herman li, the best guitarist ever. A LOT of people do, and their raving mad over it! Yeah, okay, whatever, its your story, tell it how you like it. But your credibility is effing shot, I cant help but to laugh. But, what exacerbates it all, is I have to put up with it every time I feel like playing some guitar hero against another human. Because every goddamn song anyone picks is TTFAF, which shoves its false difficulty in your face while your opponent is apparently in awe over how skiled dragonforce is. At least Jordan, was you know, a real song, with a real guitarist playing it, not dueling guitars and a synth, all at the same time, to make it look badass. But, that shit has to be shoved in my face, while some 14 year old rants about how good they are, etc. That pretty much sums up exactly why I hate it so much. Not all of it makes sense alone, but it doesnt need to, piled together, it triggers my disgust.

You asked for it!

[Wyndon]

Originally Posted by Lord of Joshelplex

I personally do not like the Beatles at all. Not only do I dislike the genre, but I felt the Beatles were talentless, and only wrote that stuff becasue they were high. Its easy to be innovative and unique when you are high, How about when you are not?

I hate them for the same reason I hate the Beatles. bunch of stoner hippies.

I am in awe. Shock. I do not even know what to say.

First off, a couple of things.

One, I am rather offended by your disdain in using the word "hippie". I'm not looking for a forum warning or anything like that, but that is rather unnecessary. The "hippie" movement was merely a liberal movement, towards peace, tranquility and love. What is wrong with that? Do you have something against peace? Against love for humanity?

Second, regardless of whether they wrote their material on substance or not does not matter. Humanity has always viewed hallucinogens as a means of understanding the world. I take it by your tone that you have never tried smoking, or even been willing to be open to the idea. I pity you my friend, I really do. And not out of "forum sarcasm" or any misdirected anger. I am sad that you hold such a strong prejudice against something that has been cherished by humans all over the world, in every single culture, for millienia. The fact that modern-day media has taken it and skewed the "drug culture" into such a fashion that it is viewed as a ...you know what, never mind, on second thought, I don't want to derail my post, let alone this thread. Point is, it shouldn't matter whether they wrote their stuff high, because frankly, I bet you I can find pot in any kind of music you listen to. So don't be pretentious about it please, it's saturated the music industry.

Thirdly, to call the Beatles talentless...There's a difference between not liking the music, and not respecting the music. And you have crossed it. You don't have to LIKE the Beatles, I can accept that their music is not for everyone. However, to completely disregard the success of the MOST SUCCESSFUL musical group yet (and most likely to be, of all time) is simply astounding to me. What, you think all of humanity is friggen' dumb or something? That we are all ignorant to the "true ways" of music? When the greatest musical minds alive TODAY have looked to the Beatles for inspiration?

Furthermore, I think you, like many others on this forum, have always failed to grasp exactly what the Beatles stood for. Or what John Lennon stood for. Or how innovative their music actually was.

John Lennon was FEARED by the governnment for how much the youth backed him. Obama is the modern John Lennon, through a different medium. And I daresay, you wouldn't call Obama "talentless".

And Lennon was much greater than Obama is. =\

In any case, if you're not going to like the music fine. But friggen respect the movement, and respect the musicians. I'm highly affronted by such a display.

Yes, I am quite annoyed.

(edit) Oh, and one last thing? If it's so easy to make music when high, you go sell over 500 million worldwide records.

Ready for my banning now.

[Cid Highwind]

Yeah, and thats a lot of what triggers me into finding some movements disgusting. When they decide that everything old is bad. They lose respect for what built the foundations of whatever they are playing now. Those are the guys that fucking invented your genre, then for shits and giggles, reinvented and evolved it again and again, moving it along and refining it faster and purer than any of your shit ever did. Know your damn roots! All you ever did was starting copying and incorporating the riffs and scales and movements that they did first, dress it up, and label it as new; whether you realise it or not! Either you're a hypocrite, or you're ignorant to that fact that what you are doing with your music, is the same as what they did, but hey did it first. And at least, if nothing else, they meant something with their music, tried to do something with it, aside from make money and impress teenyboppers.

But, thankfully, most credible musicians and bands arent like that.

And the comparison to Obama? Well, He can preach hope and change all he wants, but when he gets in the big chair and does it, then I'll beleive him. Because after all, Bush promised to make the world a better place too, as did every other president. It just seems Obama promises harder. Can he do it? Thats not for me to say. Lennon did, and proved it.

[Lord of Joshelplex]

I got nothing against love and peace, but seriously, the Beatles were a bunch of stoner hippies. Some of their songs are just plain drug trips. I mean, when you start singing about marshmallow houses and flying pigs and stuff, stoned.

Furthermore, I actually dont liike Obama, becaus I personally dislike the Democrats, because all they did over here in Canada was screw us over, and I dont expect much better from them in America.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

It's terribly off topic so I'll keep this short: Anyone saying Lennon is such a great prophet, watch the video clip to Imagine. That's all I need to say on that.

Ontopic: The modern fad of songs that don't have any coherent rythmn (like "Pyramid song" by Radiohead). Ooooohhh it's sooo complex.
Schubert's 9th symphony is complex. You have just made a mess of sound.

[Lord of Joshelplex]

Cid, thats like, my exact same reason for not liking DF.