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[Odjn]

Originally Posted by Jagos

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If more people actually did that, it wouldn't be funny. *Thumbs up*



Somehow, I'm not quite getting the "US is tax haven" thing when the article is saying that even Microsoft may move out of the US if Obama decides to tax them heavier. Especially when Europe is 10 points lower in corporate taxes.



Point was more competition, not less. That's what gives an incentive to create newer products. Some areas can't be regulated so the government has to step in (To my Knowledge, insulin for example).

For European countries. IIRC Sweden for example has a flat 30% tax or something like that?

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

All of them? One of my mottos is "generalizing will kill us all". Not sure why I've been defending big business, it just seems like a rather large blanket statement you're making.

Yes.

If you describe stealing and cheating as taking a disproportionate amount of wealth for the amount of effort you put in, and lying as saying that this system benefits everyone then all rich people have.

EDIT: To Kepor: True, I'm just saying. Actually, I could rephrase to "how much the work is valued" and still feel that my point is justified.

[Kepor]

Originally Posted by The Wizard Who Did It

Yes.

If you describe stealing and cheating as taking a disproportionate amount of wealth for the amount of effort you put in, and lying as saying that this system benefits everyone then all rich people have.

Well, price and wage have never been about how much effort is put in, but about how much value is attached to your work.

[Eldezar]

All of them? One of my mottos is "generalizing will kill us all". Not sure why I've been defending big business, it just seems like a rather large blanket statement you're making.

Generalizing works in quite a few economic situations. And yes, there are always exceptions, but very very few. Just check out Bilderburg. The 150-300 wealthiest people in the world get together at least once a year to discuss how they can manipulate to their benefit. Some of the biggest discussions have been mass genocide.

One of the biggest factors in getting to the top of a business is that you have to be like the people above you. If your superiors like golf, you better buy a set of clubs. If they dress a certain way, then you may want to dress that way, too. Those are just the examples given in just about every supervision and leadership textbook. However, this also applies to your morals in a way as well. If your boss in an honest person, they will look for other honest people to work alongside them. Similarly, if your boss stepped on others and got ahead by cheating, then odds are they want people that will do the best thing for the company, or do something that makes the boss look good, regardless of who they hurt along the way.

The thing about this, is that he honest person can only get ahead with an honest boss, whereas the dishonest person can pretend to be honest and still trick people into getting to the top. It's those people that are pretty much ruling the world today.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Eldezar

Generalizing works in quite a few economic situations. And yes, there are always exceptions, but very very few. Just check out Bilderburg. The 150-300 wealthiest people in the world get together at least once a year to discuss how they can manipulate to their benefit. Some of the biggest discussions have been mass genocide.

Seeing as everyone's against me on this one, there logically must be something to it. But, I think the premise in your post is flawed by grouping U.S. white collars with genocide. That and the fact that I'm usually very skeptical when it comes to conspiracy theories.

[Si Civa]

Originally Posted by Odjn

For European countries. IIRC Sweden for example has a flat 30% tax or something like that?

Sweden and other Nordic countries are different from other European contries when talking about taxing and other economy things as they are (supposed to be anyway) somewhat social democratic (or social liberalistic?) and the biggesst political party in Sweden is Swedish Social Democratic Party which ideology little bit tells about the tax ration.
There has been discussion in Finland (and probably Sweden too) though that those, who have high education, will move to other European countries because it's not profitable to work here because of taxes.
Left party is also losing step everywhere in European, so things can really be different in future.

Some other European countries are more liberal in enocomic fashion, Great-Britain being pretty good example. And really, European is very diverse continent all things consired.

Sorry about the interruption.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Originally Posted by Jagos

Actually more businesses mean more jobs and spending and all that. Monopolies (Microsoft) only come up when they can control a niche market. You want the new products, and better services, have businesses fight each other. That usually does a LOT to drive down prices on things. Kinda like a $300 GB hard drive used to be ~$1500 3 or four years ago when only a few manufacturers made it.

Okay, I need to revise my statement. I should have written "the rich" (top 1% or whatever) instead of "businesses." They are supposed to do the things I wrote largely via the businesses they own or have power in. My point being, "tax cuts for the rich/big business" is flawed based on this because money can just pool at the top without trickling down any. Anyway, what kind of policy is supposed to "make businesses fight each other?"

There's stuff to say about monopolies but I don't really want to get into it since that's a whole other discussion.

[Eldezar]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

Seeing as everyone's against me on this one, there logically must be something to it. But, I think the premise in your post is flawed by grouping U.S. white collars with genocide. That and the fact that I'm usually very skeptical when it comes to conspiracy theories.

That's probably because you associate conspiracy theorists with tin foil helmets so the government can't lock on to your brain waves. However, it is strange that you take to conspiracy with such skepticism when conspiracies have been uncovered very frequently throughout history. And really, you honestly believe that that government, which controls the media, won't use their power to conspire with each other? People are greedy, there is no doubt about it. Power corrupts most people. Greedy plus corruption equals conspiracies.