Infraction Bullshit

[shiney]

Also in re: Meister's link to Nightshine's threadshitting, do we have a shifty face anymore?

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Meister

I'll have you know I'm very pleased with my vagina.

e: pleasing, at times

Welp, there goes my lunch.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Meister

Yeah, dude seriously turned out to be the single worst person in the world to spark BIG MOD DRAMA over and all said, we really should have banned him two or three infractions ago.

But guys, on the one hand there's the point that we should give people more of an advance warning before we even infract them, and on the other hand there's the point that we should have banned Nightshine more or less immediately after he turned up; I know they're different situations and I'm not trying to say or convince anyone they're the same, but it still kinda sends mixed signals.

It's not mixed signals to ban someone for being a misogynist twit and then not infract 10 people for making an offtopic tangent in an otherwise non serious, off-topicable thread.

The reason it's not is because when someone's earliest posts are complete garbage then they forfeit their right to be heard around here. When 10 members of the community at large, who have proven themselves to be otherwise stellar posters, do something silly and kind-of-against the rules but not a big deal, then it should be obvious to where you put the leeway.

It comes down to discretion, basically, and no one agrees with your discretion lately. I don't particularly care because you never got onto me for my spamming and rulebreaking for the sake of humor (hell I get rep), but I'll probably get all postal when it does happen.

Like him or not, Fifth made an impression on this forum where general chicanery, humor, and overall enjoying yourself tends to come before the hardest enforcement of the rules. It's just an attitude that, for the past 3 years or so, has made the forum more lively, fun, and approachable. If you want to bring it back to rules precede victimless silliness then you've got a task ahead.

[Seil]

The reason it's not is because when someone's earliest posts are complete garbage then they forfeit their right to be heard around here.

I... uh... er... uh... Is anybody listening to me?

[Mesden]

Seil I don't think you were ever a misogynistic piece of shit. You were just a bad/spammy/heylookwebcomics poster. Big difference -- one can generally be fixed on the internet.

[Wigmund]

I do have to say that I'm disappointed in that my infraction is called "Extremely Blantant Spampost".

I kinda figure it should be something like "Doing Something Because All the Cool Kids Were Doing It".

[Meister]

The reason it's not is because when someone's earliest posts are complete garbage then they forfeit their right to be heard around here.

Whoa, hold on. Says who?

When 10 members of the community at large, who have proven themselves to be otherwise stellar posters, do something silly and kind-of-against the rules but not a big deal, then it should be obvious to where you put the leeway.

Leeway only goes so far. If a thread has a more-or-less specific topic and veers a little off that topic by natural progression of the conversation, sure, whatever, but someone waltzing in and declaring the topic to be something entirely else from this point on doesn't fly, and if I've let that slide in the younger past please point me to it so I can have another look.

e: honestly "tangent" implies there's at least one small common element between the two.

It comes down to discretion, basically, and no one agrees with your discretion lately.

Frankly, tough, because this forum's moderation has never been run by community committee.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Meister

Frankly, tough, because this forum's moderation has never been run by community committee.

See what you should have done here is change your user name to "Community Committee" and say that the Community Committee agrees.

[Meister]

Look I think it's been pretty well established that we have trouble with this whole hindsight thing without you rubbing it in.

[rpgdemon]

I just figured that was how things worked 'round here. People break rules flagrantly in stupid ways*, mods do crazy** things that effect you in the short term, and then it all blows over in about a month or two anyhow.***

*Not a comment on anything in particular, just more of a general case. If someone wants to read it as a comment on anything in particular, let's go with this post.

**In the short term, at least. In the long term, it means nothing, but I can see where people might get upset over extreme short term punishment, when they don't look at the whole picture.

***Disclaimer: This post is not meant to support anyone's opinions or decisions.

Edit: Not even mine. :P