Pokemon Umbral Discussion 37: You Don't Want To Enter This Thread

[Dracorion]

I wonder if PsyImpact can use C,C&C.

[Astral Harmony]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, AB, so could you maybe just write up what each combination of classes will be able to do, exactly?

I could do that, but I haven't even done the demon upgrades, and I still have the sprite comics. I've got some catching up to do and I'll probably be spending the whole weekend working on it all.

Well, that and watching hentai and playing h-games. You know me.

Basically, you're always talking about balance, so simply do this: suppose a character takes a class all the way to Rank 10. Then look at the 2ndary class they might take. Then think about the upgrades in terms of general balance. I would think it should be blatantly obvious what upgrades would apply and what wouldn't to keep someone from becoming unstoppable.

To put it bluntly, the upgrades a character gains from a 2ndary class won't be as good as their primary class, simply because some of the benefits they tend to gain, regardless of what each class does, either stack terribly, could stack into godmodding territory, or simply don't stack at all. Take a Slayer's Sweep and a Trainer's Divide. They serve the exact same function and cost the same amount of Rage. But there won't be an upgrade to replace it.

The main reason I never bothered with it before was because the majority of you, I think, were going to hit up some ranks in the Demon Half/Demon classes. I know at least Impact and Pierce and one of Pierce's NPCs are on board.

Come to think of it, Impact's Demon ranks will do some pretty villainous shit. Dominating civilians & Pokemon into becoming unwilling slaves being pretty high up on that ladder.

[Dracorion]

Wait, hey, whoa hey.

Okay, I mean, I get that having two PCs for one player might be pushing it, but I really really would like to treat Sophia as a PC. Y'know, with a permanent spot on the main formation and a say in things and Xth-level pokemon and custom hold items 'n shit.

Elizabeth and Sam? Yeah, they can stay benched for the whole RP for all I care.

[Geminex]

Basically, you're always talking about balance, so simply do this: suppose a character takes a class all the way to Rank 10. Then look at the 2ndary class they might take. Then think about the upgrades in terms of general balance. I would think it should be blatantly obvious what upgrades would apply and what wouldn't to keep someone from becoming unstoppable.

Done and done. Or, well, doing so. And yes, you'd think it'd be obvious, but I have learned never to trust in something being obvious preventing someone from trying to exploit it. And, hell, sometimes succeeding.

And Drac...
I'm fine with her getting PC-level power and all, but...

and a say in things

What? Say in things? Voting rights? Fuck that. You'd, in essence, be simply getting two votes in this RP! If this were the side-RP, sure, she'd count as a main character, but if you introduce her into the main... yeah, no. I mean, sure, 'we could get second PCs as well', but I, for one, have no interest in doing so. And considering that there's never been any talk of getting two PCs... yeah, no.

[Astral Harmony]

She could have a permanent spot...as your Enforcer. But no, I'm not allowing her to function as a PC like Pierce is. 'Cause then Impact and Charlotte would want that, and then even Renny and Matthias would want it, and I'd have to grant that because, hey, it's unfair for just one person to get it. Next thing you know, there'll be a main formation with thirteen units in it, ten of them with Enforcer support.

Try that and I'll kill the RP right now. You can run it yourself.

So sayeth the GM. Jerk.

'Sides, what're you gonna do with her in the formation? Talk to her? The whole battle? Gawd, the conversations...

Pierce: "Sophia, I have something very important to ask you."
Sophia: "Of course, Pierce."
Pierce: "Would you by chance have any Gray Poupon?" *giggle snort*
Sophia: "Armored, can a character attack herself?"
Armored: "Sure, I attack myself all the time."

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

What? Say in things? Voting rights? Fuck that. You'd, in essence, be simply getting two votes in this RP! If this were the side-RP, sure, she'd count as a main character, but if you introduce her into the main... yeah, no. I mean, sure, 'we could get second PCs as well', but I, for one, have no interest in doing so. And considering that there's never been any talk of getting two PCs... yeah, no.

I didn't mean a literal say in things. Just, y'know, slightly more than NPCs get. Come on man, you really think I would try to pull that off right in front of your face? Maybe right under your nose, but I would never have outright said it if I wanted to do it. Sophia wouldn't ever have counted as a second vote for me.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

She could have a permanent spot...as your Enforcer. But no, I'm not allowing her to function as a PC like Pierce is. 'Cause then Impact and Charlotte would want that, and then even Renny and Matthias would want it, and I'd have to grant that because, hey, it's unfair for just one person to get it. Next thing you know, there'll be a main formation with thirteen units in it, ten of them with Enforcer support

But, but...

Arrrgh! I had so much planned for her! Kickass custom hold items, signature techniques, Xth-level pokemon and all sorts of cool shit! Now I have to come up with a specialty for her and fix her accordingly and arrrrrggggghhhh!!!

You do realize that if she's already a Battle Master, and she goes Demon Half later, she'll effectively be triple-classed and become the single most powerful character in the RP, as per NPCs getting levels in all of their classes at once?

Sigh.

Okay, you're right. Sophia's relegated to NPC duty. But I am unhappy.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Jerk.

Yes. Yes you are.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

'Sides, what're you gonna do with her in the formation? Talk to her? The whole battle? Gawd, the conversations...

'Bout the same thing I do with Pierce, except twice?

Also, her color is more purple.

[Astral Harmony]

I didn't mean it like that. You can rank up Sophia as you like. She just won't fit in the primary section of the main formation (like the five PCs). If you want to give her a Specialty, you can do that as well.

[Dracorion]

Okay, I could go off and make as many assumptions as I like, or...

Can you elaborate?

[Astral Harmony]

I really need to?

*looks to make sure Bard isn't around*

Sigh.

*gets blasted in the back of the head with both barrels*

Ummm...ow? Anyways, it should be very simple. You rank up Sophia just like you rank up yourself. You could give her a Specialty, too. Otherwise, she's an Enforcer. The only thing I'm saying that you can't do which is probably what you most wanted her to do is to have her own deployment slot in the formation independant of the deployment slots already there.

And just to make it so blatantly clear that you won't ask me to elaborate again, here we go:

As you know, here's how the full DSS is laid out. First, we've got you five (PC Formation). The Battle Master, Medic, and Engineer (In-Formation Support) all fit in there as well. To back up the PCs, each has an Enforcer (PC Support) unit to switch out with. And then the Sniper and Destroyer (Out of Formation Support) units attack from beyond the formation.

What I think you're suggesting is to add a sixth slot for the PC Formation. This is the point where my Hammer of GMin' Wrath must come down, for the sake of balance and the sake of my sanity.

[Dracorion]

Great. I get that.

But does she also get custom items and Xth-level pokemon? Because if she doesn't, there's no reason not to treat her like a regular old NPC and have her max out three classes.