Parasite Eve: 3rd Birthday OR Squeenix are a bunch of fucking idiots

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Also? This is literally Ghosts 'n Goblins with a girl.

There are no medpacks. Just folded up police uniforms.

[Archbio]

Also? This is literally Ghosts 'n Goblins with a girl.

No it's not.

It's not "we as a society" who find this offensive and Ghosts 'N Goblin hilarious. Ghosts 'n Goblins' nudie mechanic was played for laughs. This is played for TEH SEX. I recall playing Ghosts 'n Goblins and there was nothing remotely sexual about its semi-nudity. People chuckle about it because that's all there was to it. COMEDY BOXERS. Nudity doesn't have to be sexual, and it certainly isn't always exploitative.

This is.

Maybe you could have Ghosts 'n Goblin with a woman, but this isn't it. That's the point.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Krylo

There are no medpacks. Just folded up police uniforms.

And that's all you gotta do to change this game from sexist to sexawesome.

Originally Posted by Archbio

No it's not.

It's not "we as a society" who find this offensive and Ghosts 'N Goblin hilarious. Ghosts 'n Goblins' nudie mechanic was played for laughs. This is played for TEH SEX. I recall playing Ghosts 'n Goblins and there was nothing remotely sexual about its semi-nudity. People chuckle about it because that's all there was to it. COMEDY BOXERS. Nudity doesn't have to be sexual, and it certainly isn't always exploitative.

This is.

Maybe you could have Ghosts 'n Goblin with a woman, but this isn't it. That's the point.

But see, that's my point. Same mechanic, but it's comedic if it's a male and sexist pandering if it's a female. That's the mentality from production to consumption. Male nudity == funny, female nudity == sexy. Hell, even if this was done as sexy male nudity, how much you wanna bet this wouldn't be an issue? And if it were done as comedic female nudity, how much you wanna bet it would still be viewed as sexist pandering?

[Kim]

No, I get the point. It's cheap pandering to a community that you're a part of

Being dismissive and rude towards me and my viewpoint - Check!

You hate the idea of gamers as a whole being viewed as a sorry bunch of basement-dwelling virgins that'll all run out and buy any game that has girls showing skin.

Oh! Hey! I was right! You missed the point! Yay me!

The problem is that, as long as gamers in general keep perpetuating that stereotype, game companies are going to take advantage of it in order to make a quick buck.

Numsy addressed this. Plus, saying it's okay because capitalism is a fucking weak-ass excuse regardless.

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Also? This is literally Ghosts 'n Goblins with a girl. And that's my issue. We're all supposed to get bent out of shape and offended over something like this, but when pretty much the exact same mechanic has been used for male characters for the past 25 years we have a mild, nostalgic chuckle and go on about our business.

You don't see anything wrong with that?

Male nudity is funny because it's generally done to be funny, and is played in a way that is meant to come across as funny. This is just blatant fanservice, as it almost always is. Two things being done differently with different intent is generally enough for me to say "Hey. This is different!" Mind-blowing, I know, but I'm sure you can wrap your head around the concept.

Furthermore, gaming stories and characters are generally very male oriented, so I appreciate when a game doesn't treat its female characters like a princess to be rescued or nothing more than a pair of titties. Parasite Eve was, in my honest opinion, one of those games. This takes that, and runs in the opposite direction, and that bothers me.

EDIT:

But see, that's my point. Same mechanic, but it's comedic if it's a male and sexist pandering if it's a female. That's the mentality from production to consumption. Male nudity == funny, female nudity == sexy.

It isn't sexist because it's sexist? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLZ

[Archbio]

Same mechanic, but it's comedic if it's a male and sexist pandering if it's a female.

Same mechanic, but everything else is different.

The everything else matters.

That's the mentality from production to consumption.

It's only the production side that matters, because Ghosts 'n Goblins came out as a comedy, non-sexualized game. It's not the consummers that decided in this case not to inject sexuality into it as much as they will now in this. It just wasn't presented that way. Bland, cartoon male semi-nudity with comedy boxers. There's not much to go on with that.

Parasite Eve is a pre-existing game with a non-comedic tone with characters that are meant as psychologically and physically realistic (as opposed to being cartoons.) This supposedly identical game mechanic being applied retroactively doesn't transform it into the same thing that it was in Ghosts 'N Goblins.

Now, is it a problem that the same subject matter would basically be segregated to two different genres with two starkly different treatments? I believe that kind of meets NonCon's point, if followed in good faith, rather than somehow sap the credibility of objections to this kind of thing.

[BitVyper]

Ghosts 'n Goblins' nudie mechanic was played for laughs

I'm pretty sure everyone would be exactly as offended if Aya had a heart pattern on her underwear and slightly more cartoonish proportions. You couldn't play it for laughs with a girl because no one's gonna take it that way.

Hell, bishoujo type characters get played for laughs all the time, and it still gets called sexist fanservice. Even when they're basically parodying the entire concept of bishoujo.

[Arlia Janet]

This has been done well before. There is nothing funny or sexual about Samus' death. I always thought it was one of the more powerful death animations because you know that she's going to die alone, suffocating on a hostile world.

[IHateMakingNames]

Besides the fact that she's an attractive female lead, I don't really see the sexy. In that screen shot her legs are covered in blood, pretty sure there is some on her back, and it looks like she is limping.

I like this feature, because I like the concept of damage being shown on character models. If it happens to be done on an attractive female, well then that's awesome. I just hope it isn't a cheesy feature with generic battle damage based on healthy. If she gets clawed in the back she gets a claw mark on the back of her shirt, not getting shot in the leg makes her sleeves pop off.

Edit - From the wiki page, apparently clothes and health will be separate, as it says you take less damage with more clothes on and vice versa. So there are probably health packs and sets of clothes lying around separately.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

I'm pretty sure everyone would be exactly as offended if Aya had a heart pattern on her underwear and slightly more cartoonish proportions. You couldn't play it for laughs with a girl because no one's gonna take it that way.

Hey, thanks for telling me what will or will not offend me. I really appreciate that. Can you tell me what I want for dinner next? I'm pretty hungry.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Hey, thanks for telling me what will or will not offend me. I really appreciate that. Can you tell me what I want for dinner next? I'm pretty hungry.

McDonald's.

Also:

To be like, halfway almost serious for a second, in so much as I fully agree this is going to be played for fan service with a single bullet or knife or whatever ripping off huge chunks of Aya's clothing, I only think that because I'm a realist with a conceptual idea of how the industry as a whole works.

Not because of Nonsie's screen.

In PE:1 most of the time you were taking damage it was from giant energy beams, or acid spit, or being set on fire or being put through the biological equivalent of a meat grinder, etc. with Miss Brea only surviving because she is super mitochondrically evolved or whatever.

The only thing unrealistic about the amount of clothing damage, given that, is that her bra and panties are apparently made of adamantium.

Speaking of comic books: They really need to do a superman game with realistic clothing degradation/destruction.


....And on another note I'm not sure if that's blood on her or gross sewer stuff. Either way though it is kinda gross.