Edgy Comedy and Stand up - Page 5

phil_ · 07-30-2012, 06:33 PM

Well, Bells, the thing is that when you make something illegal, you're involving the law. As your title alludes to, fuck the police.

Like, I could bounce off Azisien's joke that I can't hurt his feelings by hurting his feelings. I'm pretty sure I could. But I won't, because that would be an awful, pointless thing for me to do. However, if it were illegal for me to hurt Azisien's feelings on the internet, then posting this analogy could be illegal going by the wonderful precedent set so far for cybercrime. This is why censorship is bad: not because we should be able to say whatever we want, but because censorship laws can potentially hit things beyond those bad things we shouldn't be saying.

But, mostly "fuck the police." You have "disorderly conduct," anything wrong with "drunk in public" is already covered there. And "disrespecting an officer?" Sit on a hot stove.

Solid Snake · 07-30-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Azisien

No. I brought it up because it's that kind of extremism

...Wut

Azisien · 07-30-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by phil_

Like, I could bounce off Azisien's comment that I can't hurt his feelings by hurting his feelings. I'm pretty sure I could.

Awww I was just trying to get bonus marks by working OP references into my post!

phil_ · 07-30-2012, 06:51 PM

I think that Azisien's problem is less with having white privilege pointed out and more with a perceived need to walk on liberal eggshells in regards to what he makes jokes about, what shows he can say he likes, etc. Not that we actually need to protect the precious, precious shells, but, judging by the rest of his post being about CK being able to make awesome jokes about awful things, I'm pretty sure that's the issue.

I realize I'm speaking for someone else who can explain his position if he feels like it's worth explaining now. So, you know, let us know if I'm way off base here.

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Originally Posted by Azisien

Awww I was just trying to get bonus marks by working OP references into my post!

Previous post edited to reflect this post.

Solid Snake · 07-30-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by phil_

I think that Azisien's problem is less with having white privilege pointed out and more with a perceived need to walk on liberal eggshells in regards to what he makes jokes about, what shows he can say he likes, etc.

My retort to that would be, why is it that the material for all these great 'edgy' jokes tends to utilize material that would require concern over 'liberal eggshells' in the first place?

If you're just using 'edgy' as a synonym for 'jokes at the expense of oppressed minorities that political correctness attempts to shield', then you should just be more honest with yourself, and say that you enjoy jokes that mock issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals.

phil_ · 07-30-2012, 07:12 PM

Now I'm really gonna talk for you, Azisien, and it's not going to be positive this time. I understand that this is annoying.

I don't think the perceived problem is the inability to make jokes that mock issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals. The perceived problem is an inability to know whether ~~someone~~ Liz (I use Liz here because I'm arguing about why Azisien brought Liz up, after all) will read a post as being a joke that mock issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals, which leads to angry posts and bad times. This is my report on how I read Azisien's post.

To talk for myself now, I'm aware that this concern is unfounded. The way to avoid Liz or anyone else calling your jokes offensive to the issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals is to not make jokes that mock issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals. Pretty simple, really. But I understand that most people aren't in the habit of thinking about whether what they're saying is offensive and certainly aren't used to being called out on it. And I think Liz and you, Snake, should keep calling them out on it, because it needs to be done. If you keep smacking their posting hands, they'll start thinking through what they post, making better posts all around.

... I feel like I should apologize again for going "No, this is what Azisien thinks," being that I'm not Azisien and I just called his problem illusory.

Aerozord · 07-30-2012, 07:20 PM

just to give my own opinion, this is one of those few things I feel its all about intent. Personally I dont mind jokes about offensive material whether they are good or bad or who the target is (myself included). What does bother me are jokes made with the intent to insult or demean an individual or group.

Basically are you laughing at them, or with them.

Marelo · 07-30-2012, 07:24 PM

Problem with that is it's not really up to the speaker to decide, except through skilled expression, what the listener hears.

Azisien · 07-30-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by phil_

... I feel like I should apologize again for going "No, this is what Azisien thinks," being that I'm not Azisien and I just called his problem illusory.

No no, it's actually hilarious. This is probably what it feels like to be a famous dead person and have people on forums talking about you. Now I have no reason to die!

Osterbaum · 07-30-2012, 07:38 PM

Pretty sure beig a famous dead person feels like ----------------------

07-30-2012, 06:33 PM	#41
phil_ Just sleeping Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: At home, probably in bed. Posts: 6,482	Well, Bells, the thing is that when you make something illegal, you're involving the law. As your title alludes to, fuck the police. Like, I could bounce off Azisien's joke that I can't hurt his feelings by hurting his feelings. I'm pretty sure I could. But I won't, because that would be an awful, pointless thing for me to do. However, if it were illegal for me to hurt Azisien's feelings on the internet, then posting this analogy could be illegal going by the wonderful precedent set so far for cybercrime. This is why censorship is bad: not because we should be able to say whatever we want, but because censorship laws can potentially hit things beyond those bad things we shouldn't be saying. But, mostly "fuck the police." You have "disorderly conduct," anything wrong with "drunk in public" is already covered there. And "disrespecting an officer?" Sit on a hot stove. __________________ Be T-Rexcellent to each other, tako. Last edited by phil_; 07-30-2012 at 06:53 PM. Reason: "comment" edited to "joke" because that's what I originally wanted to write.

07-30-2012, 07:12 PM	#46
phil_ Just sleeping Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: At home, probably in bed. Posts: 6,482	Now I'm really gonna talk for you, Azisien, and it's not going to be positive this time. I understand that this is annoying. I don't think the perceived problem is the inability to make jokes that mock issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals. The perceived problem is an inability to know whether ~~someone~~ Liz (I use Liz here because I'm arguing about why Azisien brought Liz up, after all) will read a post as being a joke that mock issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals, which leads to angry posts and bad times. This is my report on how I read Azisien's post. To talk for myself now, I'm aware that this concern is unfounded. The way to avoid Liz or anyone else calling your jokes offensive to the issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals is to not make jokes that mock issues faced by women / ethnic minorities / homosexuals / transgendered individuals. Pretty simple, really. But I understand that most people aren't in the habit of thinking about whether what they're saying is offensive and certainly aren't used to being called out on it. And I think Liz and you, Snake, should keep calling them out on it, because it needs to be done. If you keep smacking their posting hands, they'll start thinking through what they post, making better posts all around. ... I feel like I should apologize again for going "No, this is what Azisien thinks," being that I'm not Azisien and I just called his problem illusory. __________________ Be T-Rexcellent to each other, tako.

07-30-2012, 07:20 PM	#47
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	just to give my own opinion, this is one of those few things I feel its all about intent. Personally I dont mind jokes about offensive material whether they are good or bad or who the target is (myself included). What does bother me are jokes made with the intent to insult or demean an individual or group. Basically are you laughing at them, or with them. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

07-30-2012, 07:38 PM	#50
Osterbaum The revolution will be memed! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FIN Posts: 5,967	Pretty sure beig a famous dead person feels like ---------------------- __________________ D is for Dirty Commie!

07-30-2012, 07:24 PM	#48
Marelo Napoleon Impersonator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 816	Problem with that is it's not really up to the speaker to decide, except through skilled expression, what the listener hears.