Love is, indeed, a many splintered thing.

[slightly aboveaverage man]

I said nothing...

Amnesia Dust!

I can emphasize with you as well Lycanthrope. I was in that type of siduation not long ago...

[Funka Genocide]

wow Lycanthrope, thats pretty heart rending. I know you aren't asking for advice, but I have to say this. When someone says "if you love someone, let them go" they are probably trying to steal your woman! what I mean by that is that if you truly love someone, you will make them happy if they accept you. Don't let your destiny fly out of your grasp, all it leaves is bitter scars.

on a personal note, I have an odd relationship type thingy going on, we both live in different countries, and we're both pretty much socially inept, while I am overly sharing and emotional, she is reserved and antisocial. I love her more than I can say, but I don't know if she'll ever say that she loves me. I have already made my intentions known, but instead of saying yes or no, she just keeps it ambiguous. that I believe is the most painful outcome of asking, not rejection or acceptance, but not knowing. there's my 2 cents worth, and go for it you two guys!

[froofmyster]

Originally Posted by slightly aboveaverage man

I'm hearing a lot of "Just ask! what's the worst they could do? say no!"

People don't know how bad "No" is.

Wow, you actualy saw the "big picture".

BMH, IHMN, please cut out the "awww, it's the widdle 7th grader" crap. You were once his age, as was I. Poking fun at that kind of thing is Ageist, and immature.

He's right. You two are being total asses.

Froof, My advice is go it slow. If you can find her in the hallways when she isn't with her friend, ask her if she wants to go to a movie, or something else that you usually do with your friends. Nothing too overt, like "Hey, wanna go for dinner at Le Cafe du Renee?" or anything, just gradual inclusion. If she doesn't make the first move eventually, make it youself.

*Bangs head on computer, shattering screen*
Oops, THAT looked expensive.

I didn't think of that because?..

Zoamelgustar, her friend is a girl. She sort of has spazms every so often and needs someone to keep under control when it happens. IE, she spends a whole lot of time with this girl.

...And I am SO not letting her go. Not without a fight.

Made progress tonight. Second and final performance of my operetta tonight. Went back to Dairy Queen. The whole class was there including her. I spoke to her a lot. I was quite hyper and very happy, not to mention on a sugar-high, but so was she. To quote her: "Shoogaah!" (sugar!). I did speak to her, and we had fun. She's finally out of her "buzz-off, ass" mood and was open to my company. Her friend spazzed out twice but it didn't bother us. Nothing could ruin my mood. On the other hand, I was singing and project my voice from 7-11 PM (I shouted and sang at DQ) so whenever I speak I project really loud. I have to "wisper" to maintain regular voice volume. Meh!

[Dragonsbane]

Originally Posted by slightly aboveaverage man

I'm hearing a lot of "Just ask! what's the worst they could do? say no!"

People don't know how bad "No" is.

For one who is extremely shy, the utter regection after putting ones heart on the line can be devestating. If a person took so long to build up the courage to ask, and is shot down, all the confidance that builds up in said individual is too shattered. The end result is an increased fear of regection, leading to fear of change, leading to self loathing, both for their apparent inability to find a mate, and the blow to their self esteem, leaving them thinking that they are ultimately inferior. Thus leading to an eventual spiteful outlook on relationships that stems out of jealousy of those in relationships.

BMH, IHMN, please cut out the "awww, it's the widdle 7th grader" crap. You were once his age, as was I. Poking fun at that kind of thing is Ageist, and immature.

Froof, My advice is go it slow. If you can find her in the hallways when she isn't with her friend, ask her if she wants to go to a movie, or something else that you usually do with your friends. Nothing too overt, like "Hey, wanna go for dinner at Le Cafe du Renee?" or anything, just gradual inclusion. If she doesn't make the first move eventually, make it youself.

SAAM is right, it's devastating when a girl says "no", especially at that age. I found that out the hard way when I was in the 6th grade......it was mostly my fault, though.

Anyway, this friend (of the girl you love) seems to be an extremely needy person, which is why she resents you hanging out with her friend. What ever you do, DON'T HIT/INSULT HER!!! The girl you're after will hate you if you do that...consider this a test of your patience and ingenuity.

[slightly aboveaverage man]

What ever you do, DON'T HIT/INSULT HER!!! The girl you're after will hate you if you do that...consider this a test of your patience and ingenuity.

DB is right, take the aproach of Ghandi, eventually she will see that her friend is beating on you, unprovoked, and come to your defense. at this point, you will be closer than ever to your goal, which means she will be seeing the good in you, and seeing you as a prospect.

[Dragonsbane]

I would advise ignoring her, and trying not to talk to her overmuch...but don't keep it so aloof that you abandon your "Ghandi" approach (thanks for the name, SAAM). When the girl you like sympathizes with you, and tells her friend to cut it out, then you will be much closer to your goal, and hopefully the friend will take the hint and stop trying to ruin your life.

Side note: does this friend of the girl you love hate EVERY guy that expresses interest in this girl, or does she just target you?

[froofmyster]

Not sure.

I would never dream of hitting back. I'm not that kind of person. I sometimes block blows but never give them. ...Except to this guy who's a total ass 24/7, but that's beside the point.

[Dragonsbane]

you can hit a guy, but hitting girls is usually a bad idea...

you said she "sort of spazms (spasms?)", does she actually have a mental/psycological problem or something?

[froofmyster]

She gets all crazy. She dances and jumps around and giggles. It's kinda scary if you don't know about it. Mental.

[Dragonsbane]

7th graders get like that sometimes......I'm kidding, I don't really consider all of you that immature.

Is she just doing it for attention, or is it an actual mental disease?

I know girls who act like that just to get attention, it bugs the shit out of me....thank God (or Mystra, Bane, Sune...whoever is in charge of this sort of thing!) that girls don't act like that in High School, at least they usually don't.....

[edit] going back, I've noticed that BMH and IHMN have both been utterly asinine to froofmyster about this.....seriously guys, enough is enough. You don't have to try and talk down to everyone younger than you, especially when they present their viewpoints in a mature manner.