Gay Marriage leads to Animal Marriage???

[Swift Wang]

Don't know if anyone has read about this before. Honestly I didn't read through all the posts to see if anyone mentioned this but... I remember reading that someone married one of thier pets. Not in this country but somewhere in Europe or Africa.

I think it was in Holland or some country like that where a little boy married a puppy also.

[Krylo]

Mash: Even though I probably don't really have a vote, I'll second... or third... or whatever, the idea of banning this topic.

It's been done into the ground, and, as you said, it never goes anywhere.

It's hard for me to even take it seriously when I see one of these threads now, as is evidenced by my first post or two here. But then someone says something that annoys me, and I get dragged into the same arguements I've played through ten billion times before.

I'm sure most everyone who frequents any forums with 'intellectual debates' (and I use the term loosely) has similiar feelings.

Granted... there is a part of me that says maybe... someday... someone might bring up something new to the debate that I haven't heard/argued, but then I remember the debate has been going on for years with no change.

[Archbio]

Hooray for verboten topics!

I just have to respond when I see it discussed, it's a compulsion

[Dragonsbane]

yeah, I know how Krylo feels........its like arguing with IHMN on the Battle Royale thread...

[MasterOfMagic]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

Religion shouldn't get too interested about gay marriages. What the hell does it matter if they wed to ppl of the same gender? It's just stupid. Some times I'm ashamed of my religion. Besides 'true believers' should believe that god is what they first said: Lovinng, cairing etc. Why would such a person (or what ever) not allow gay marriages? This hole argument about animals or gay marriages, or what ever, is just stupid.

Ok, I was trying to stay out of this thing (I hate discussions like this), but you've dragged me in. Christians (or at least the ones against gay marriage) beleive that gay marriage is wrong b/c it is a preversion of what God intended it to be; between a man and a woman. There is plenty of evidence of that intention in the Bible. Someone said something earlier about Jesus not saying anything about gays in the New Testament. That was simply b/c, back then, he didn't need to. Everyone new(believed) that was a detestible act, and if you were caught, you were probably stoned to death.

Now, this is not my opinion on the matter. I have not formed one yet, and hope that I never have to. I'm simply explaining what I have heard from my Sunday School teacher.

EDIT: Mash, I to wouldn't mind it at all if this topic was to be banned (meaning I think it should be). All it does is make people flame. Not each other, but flaming none-the-less.

EDIT 2: Just noticed this:

Originally Posted by Trev-MUN Hates AOL

(like the twelve commandments statue a while back)

It is The Ten Commandments, not the 12. Not offended, just informing.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by MasterOfMagic

Everyone new(believed) that was a detestible act, and if you were caught, you were probably stoned to death.

Just for your information... Jesus was around during the mid-roman empire. Shortly after the time of such people like Caligula, who, if memory serves (if it doesn't, then it was another emperor), had a troop of young men and women (like 13ish) follow him around to perform sexual favors on each other. Both male and female. The romans also were known for having bisexual orgies, and for having a good amount of lesbianism. They also had legalized prostitution, and, in fact, it was considered a RESPECTABLE job.

Your sunday teacher either didn't know history, or was lying.

I'd point out specific bible verses that conflict with that reason for him not mentioning it new testament (as that he DID mention it, but not in the purpose of condeming it), but I REALLY don't want to start a religious debate. A history one is ok, though.

[DreamWalker]

Marrying animals!?!?!?!? Maybe there is hope I can marry my right hand now. I mean if you can marry a animal why not. And that way nobody can make fun of me for masterbating. I can just say Im making love to my wife.

[MasterOfMagic]

It was also dealt with in the Old Testament. I don't know verses, I just have a general understanding of the bible. Note: you can't just take one verse out of the Bible and use it to justify things. If you did, you could justify doing just about anything. You have to use it in context.

Also, I doubt those people were jewish. That is the main portion of the people he preached to.

I agree about the religous debate thing too. Always a bad thing.

I'm really weird about not wanting to piss people off (unless they provoke me), so I want to state agian: I have no opinion on this issue. The only reason I posted here was that it seemed to be all one sided. No one was looking at it from a different point of view. (at least, not that I saw. correct me, please, if I'm wrong. I will promptly leave)

[Trev-MUN Hates AOL]

Originally Posted by krylo

Perhaps it would be a good idea to see if an arguement has actually come up before parodying it? Just a thought...

Uh... hasn't it? I'm pretty sure that legalizing gay marriages and making churches do them upon request has been one of the several camps in this whole argument.

I wish the people who get their panties in a wad about "governments forcing churches to perform gay marriage ceremonies" would get that through their goddamn heads. NOBODY'S ASKING FOR THAT. All that's wanted is full legal recognization of homosexual marital unions, equal to that already granted to heterosexuals. Either churches will come around or they won't, although I suspect they eventually will in the face of growing societal disapproval of anti-homosexual prejudice. What part of this is too complicated for some of y'all to grasp?

... Ooh. Zing. I know that was directed to me, Mashiro. Thing is, I recalled reading the news and reading all about the ruckus in San Fransisco and allowing gay marriages to be done. No, I don't know the details, not until you cleared it up anyway.

But quite frankly, I still stand behind my ideas on the matter, seeing as they ARE NOT born out of anti-homosexualism or whatever, but on the grounds of trying to redefine unions as they are stated in law, so that there WON'T be any ordering churches around ... (edit: And to ensure equality for all unions. Can't forget that. )

It is The Ten Commandments, not the 12. Not offended, just informing.

... oops. Where the hell did I get TWELVE from? *is a Christian too*



... but yeah, these things tend to go round and round.

[Osterbaum]

The only reason I posted here was that it seemed to be all one sided.

I wasn't being one sided. I always try to consider the other points of view, but right now I dissagree with most of them. Just what church do you belong to? Just asking out of interest.

Where the hell did I get TWELVE from? *is a Christian too*

Twelwe apostols.

It's hard for me to even take it seriously when I see one of these threads now

True. There are a lot of these kind of debates. I'm not jsut taking about these forums now, or even internet. I've debated these a hundred times, but the reason I do it again and again is because I form new opinions and because if there are poeple that I havent seen debating the issue then it's good to get even more opinions. I just don't get tired of debates...But thats just me.

As to banning this topic...It wouldn't work. Closing the thread and telling people to continue privatemessaging could work.