GTA on 60 minutes - Page 5

Kuja · 03-20-2005, 09:13 AM

If they're complaining that video games such as GTA are corrupting the youth, why don't they just take the stupid response and release games that glorify police officers and what not?

I don't mean like True Crime. Like some kind of police sim. Make the bad guys look...well, bad.

Betrademos · 03-20-2005, 01:37 PM

I've had an idea sorta like that in my head for a long time. You play as police officers and you try to gain conrol of real-life situations.

Syka · 03-20-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 81

P.S.: While your point about books is a good one, how many teens do you know that would choose a book over a video game?

I just have to comment on this one bacause I am on of those teens who would choose a book over a video game, but it is true I am a minority in this aspect.

Now to more recent posts; they don't create police games because they wouldn't sell. People like to play as the bad guy because they are expected to be the good guy in real life. Also cops have much more rules then what the thugs have to follow (since this is about GTA then it is none).

Viktor Von Russia · 03-20-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Syka

Now to more recent posts; they don't create police games because they wouldn't sell.

Well, there's that motion-sensitive police shooter game in the arcades (the name escapes me at the moment). I've also seen a S.W.A.T. game. I'm sure that there are a good number of police games out there. They just aren't as popular and well-known (or as fun, perhaps) as games like GTA.

Mirai Gen · 03-20-2005, 06:08 PM

no games glorify cops? Virtua Cop #? I don't see why people say "There aren't any" when a good portion of the time they're very much used. Hell, just look at City of Heroes. Who do you run to when you need help? SWAT and police.

I think more specifically, there aren't any games (with the exception of a few) that take place in 20th century realistic situations that involve cops, probably including Virtua Cop. Any time I can think of 20th century (Except for GTA, MGS, etc) there's always a supernatural or superpowerful entity or problem showing itself and forcing Chosen One(s) to do something instead of local authorities.

Some cop shootdodging and kung-fu ing just doesn't seem to make as much sense as a guy named Jack Slate with a darker past doing his job to avenge someone.

Seraphna · 03-21-2005, 02:37 AM

Heya! Thoght my second post should be constructive. I also hang out over in the CAD forums, and after a rather frustrating list of e-mail conversations with Satan... I mean Jack Thompson, we descided to organise into a fashionable group. We call ourselves the GAAC, or the Gamers Alliance Against Censorship. We're located at http://www.gamersalliance.org and I'm very big about the subject.

Personally, I thought the 60 minutes interview was hilarious.... Crainial Menu? That sounds like something that hurts. As for games that glorify cops? Max Paine is a cop... Virtua Cop's been mentioned a lot, Time Crisis even feautes to crime fighting hotshots. City of Heroes was a great point, I mean, come on! We don't always play thecriminal in video games, in fact those games are few and far between as it is!

bard master · 03-21-2005, 04:42 PM

video game violence in children?

I notice that children are affected by their enviroment from a young age. We can't blame it ALL on video games, give the parents and public schooling SOME credit.

If a kid gets a violent video game, then its partially the stores fault for selling it to them. Its partially the company's fault for making it, its partly the parent's fault for letting them get it.

Every child is born innocent, so they say.

Krylo · 03-21-2005, 05:34 PM

It's not the company's fault at all, unless they're specifically making these violent games for children. They aren't. They're making these violent games for adults who want to play violent games.

They're making them for adults. They're marketting them to adults. They put big 'M's on the labels for mature. Some games even have disclaimers when you turn them on mentioning that they're violent.

What more do you want them to do? Make people put in their birthdate everytime they turn a game on?

It isn't really the store's fault either. If an adult comes up to me with a GTA game and I'm working the counter, I'm not going to say, "Are you buying this for a minor/child? Do you realize it contains gore, drugs, prostitutes, and gang violence?" Just like they don't ask you if you're buying booze for a minor.

If they sell an M rated game to a minor, then yes, it's their fault. However, most of the time the only minors they're selling to directly are 16 and up, and at that age violence in media no longer has a discernible effect*. I don't see a lot of five year olds going to Wal-Mart and buying San Andreas.

So what it comes down to is this: The parent buys the kid the game, gives the kid the game, and lets the kid play the game without ever thinking about how it says how it's violent, graphic, and contains strong sexual content all over the packaging.

It's fully the parent's fault that the child got that game.

And, once they're at the age this stuff is happening at, it's fully the kid's fault for not being able to discern fiction from reality.

*There were studies done in which psychologists would take two, random, groups of children and put them in identical rooms with identical toys. In one they'd play Rambo and in the other Care Bears, or something equally inane. In the room with Rambo, the children would play with the fake swords 'battling each other', beat up the punch 'em clown, etc. In the one with Care Bears, the children would play with blocks and balls non-violently. However, this effect diminishes in a few hours, and doesn't exist in older viewers.

Syka · 03-21-2005, 06:20 PM

krylo I've heard of that study, or a similar one. In the one I heard they had some children watch a more violent show (i.e. Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers) and the other group watch something gentler (i.e. Barney) and had them interact with each other afterwards and noticed those with more violent shows acted more aggresively, but like kyrlo said the effect wore off fairly quickly.

CrazyBen · 03-21-2005, 06:31 PM

Well, I have mixed view on this one. I, personnally, have been playing violent games (like Doom) since I was ten, and am a physical coward in real life. My little brother, on the other hand, has been play GTA just as long and is a future gun-violence statistic. We both have the same gaming experince-age, but I try to avoid arguments whenever possible, where as the only things stopping him from going on a real-world killing spree is A)He's too young to buy guns and B)He's a major homophobe, and doesn't wnat to end up in pound-me-in-the-arse prison. Of course, my other younger brother is pretty unstable, so I think the evidence does kind of point towards games having an effect. I am the smartest of us too, so you should consider that.

03-20-2005, 09:13 AM	#41
Kuja He's alive! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: My Evil Volcano Lair Posts: 129	If they're complaining that video games such as GTA are corrupting the youth, why don't they just take the stupid response and release games that glorify police officers and what not? I don't mean like True Crime. Like some kind of police sim. Make the bad guys look...well, bad. __________________ :bmage: "That which does not kill me had better be able to run pretty damn fast." :wmage: "You better not make me recant the White Mages Oath." Insert humerous FFXII sig here

03-20-2005, 01:37 PM	#42
Betrademos Just say NO to Naziism Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: La-La Land, California Posts: 40	I've had an idea sorta like that in my head for a long time. You play as police officers and you try to gain conrol of real-life situations. __________________ Quote from Futurama: "You're just jealous!" "No I'm not! Oh wait, I AM jealous... But my point remains valid!"

03-20-2005, 06:08 PM	#45
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	no games glorify cops? Virtua Cop #? I don't see why people say "There aren't any" when a good portion of the time they're very much used. Hell, just look at City of Heroes. Who do you run to when you need help? SWAT and police. I think more specifically, there aren't any games (with the exception of a few) that take place in 20th century realistic situations that involve cops, probably including Virtua Cop. Any time I can think of 20th century (Except for GTA, MGS, etc) there's always a supernatural or superpowerful entity or problem showing itself and forcing Chosen One(s) to do something instead of local authorities. Some cop shootdodging and kung-fu ing just doesn't seem to make as much sense as a guy named Jack Slate with a darker past doing his job to avenge someone. __________________

03-21-2005, 02:37 AM	#46
Seraphna Digital Kitty Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 14	Heya! Thoght my second post should be constructive. I also hang out over in the CAD forums, and after a rather frustrating list of e-mail conversations with Satan... I mean Jack Thompson, we descided to organise into a fashionable group. We call ourselves the GAAC, or the Gamers Alliance Against Censorship. We're located at http://www.gamersalliance.org and I'm very big about the subject. Personally, I thought the 60 minutes interview was hilarious.... Crainial Menu? That sounds like something that hurts. As for games that glorify cops? Max Paine is a cop... Virtua Cop's been mentioned a lot, Time Crisis even feautes to crime fighting hotshots. City of Heroes was a great point, I mean, come on! We don't always play thecriminal in video games, in fact those games are few and far between as it is! __________________ Seraphna Proud Member of G.A.A.C. Gamers Alliance

03-21-2005, 04:42 PM	#47
bard master Lvl10 Mad Coffee Shaman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 67	video game violence in children? I notice that children are affected by their enviroment from a young age. We can't blame it ALL on video games, give the parents and public schooling SOME credit. If a kid gets a violent video game, then its partially the stores fault for selling it to them. Its partially the company's fault for making it, its partly the parent's fault for letting them get it. Every child is born innocent, so they say. __________________ Ive come out so many times, ive got a revolving door in my closet. And Dont you DARE say the F- word, or ill bury you here.

03-21-2005, 05:34 PM	#48
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	It's not the company's fault at all, unless they're specifically making these violent games for children. They aren't. They're making these violent games for adults who want to play violent games. They're making them for adults. They're marketting them to adults. They put big 'M's on the labels for mature. Some games even have disclaimers when you turn them on mentioning that they're violent. What more do you want them to do? Make people put in their birthdate everytime they turn a game on? It isn't really the store's fault either. If an adult comes up to me with a GTA game and I'm working the counter, I'm not going to say, "Are you buying this for a minor/child? Do you realize it contains gore, drugs, prostitutes, and gang violence?" Just like they don't ask you if you're buying booze for a minor. If they sell an M rated game to a minor, then yes, it's their fault. However, most of the time the only minors they're selling to directly are 16 and up, and at that age violence in media no longer has a discernible effect. I don't see a lot of five year olds going to Wal-Mart and buying San Andreas. So what it comes down to is this: The parent buys the kid the game, gives the kid the game, and lets the kid play the game without ever thinking about how it says how it's violent, graphic, and contains strong sexual content all over the packaging. It's fully the parent's fault that the child got that game. And, once they're at the age this stuff is happening at, it's fully the kid's fault for not being able to discern fiction from reality. There were studies done in which psychologists would take two, random, groups of children and put them in identical rooms with identical toys. In one they'd play Rambo and in the other Care Bears, or something equally inane. In the room with Rambo, the children would play with the fake swords 'battling each other', beat up the punch 'em clown, etc. In the one with Care Bears, the children would play with blocks and balls non-violently. However, this effect diminishes in a few hours, and doesn't exist in older viewers. __________________ I am very tired.

03-21-2005, 06:20 PM	#49
Syka Red Mage's Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 216	krylo I've heard of that study, or a similar one. In the one I heard they had some children watch a more violent show (i.e. Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers) and the other group watch something gentler (i.e. Barney) and had them interact with each other afterwards and noticed those with more violent shows acted more aggresively, but like kyrlo said the effect wore off fairly quickly. __________________ :rmage: Guys, can we focus? This universe isn't going to destroy itself. :rmage: My plans are always practical! It's the laws of physics that get in the way of my success. :rmage: Wait I have an idea! I have ice spells! We're saved! Me: "You can't spell Democracy without crazy" Gasp! I'm a member of GASP talk to h4x.m4g3 to sign up

03-21-2005, 06:31 PM	#50
CrazyBen Aim Low Boys Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A horrible land of sunshine and farting unicorns Posts: 328	Comment Well, I have mixed view on this one. I, personnally, have been playing violent games (like Doom) since I was ten, and am a physical coward in real life. My little brother, on the other hand, has been play GTA just as long and is a future gun-violence statistic. We both have the same gaming experince-age, but I try to avoid arguments whenever possible, where as the only things stopping him from going on a real-world killing spree is A)He's too young to buy guns and B)He's a major homophobe, and doesn't wnat to end up in pound-me-in-the-arse prison. Of course, my other younger brother is pretty unstable, so I think the evidence does kind of point towards games having an effect. I am the smartest of us too, so you should consider that.