Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread!

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Lithp

I could be wrong, though.

Kubo likes to draw fights out. I'm betting Gin still has an ace in the hole, if for no other reason than the fangirls love him.

[Donomni]

Originally Posted by Lithp

I'm absolutely positive that he has. Aizen's first step when confronted with any adversary is to show them his release (dirty). He can just walk around with it & nobody would know the difference. I'm willing to bet my own testicles that this "Ichigo hasn't seen Kyoka Suigetsu" plot device is just to give us a false sense of security.

If that's the case, then literally everyone is under Aizen's control, and he can't lose. Ever. He'd have to let himself lose.

Kubo may be an epic troll, but I'm pretty certain that noone up top is going to allow him to have Aizen completely unbeatable.

It's Shonen manga. The hero always wins in the end.

More to the point, though, the theory going around now is that someone is only effected when they see him activate his Shikai. He's got it on 24/7, more or less. If the theory is true, then Ichigo already knows to avoid it when Aizen hits the on/off toggle.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by Lithp

I'm absolutely positive that he has. Aizen's first step when confronted with any adversary is to show them his release (dirty). He can just walk around with it & nobody would know the difference. I'm willing to bet my own testicles that this "Ichigo hasn't seen Kyoka Suigetsu" plot device is just to give us a false sense of security.

I'm gonna take issue with this. WAY BACK A LONG TIME AGO IN A SOUL SOCIETY FAR FAR AWAY... Aizen gets found out by Unohana and Isane. Aizen explains what his sword does (in typical shounen Big Bad fashion) and Isane goes "NO WAI! SILLY AIZEN, YOU SAID YOUR SWORD DID THIS! YOU SHOWED IT TO ALL THE VICE CAPTAINS BEFORE-" and then Unohana goes "AHA! THAT'S WHEN YOU USED THE HYPNOSIS RITUAL (I believe that's the way it was translated by Viz, I dunno if it's correct, but that's the "official" translation)." And Aizen goes "YUP, WUTCHA GON' DO 'BOUT IT?" Unohana goes "nothing, we're just gonna stand here and let you escape MEANWHILE ISANE IS GONNA RAT YOU OUT TO THE WHOLE DAMN SOUL SOCIETY."

See, I'm gonna take this as a sign that in order to expose someone to the Kanzen Saimin, you have to do this complicated ritual. He gathered almost all of Soul Society's highest ranking officers together in one place JUST to make sure they all saw it. Pretty sure just whipping his sword out isn't gonna do the trick.

EDIT: and by translation, I meant the phrase "hypnosis ritual." Not the childish and immature summary that accompanied it.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Originally Posted by EckScizor

I'm gonna take issue with this. WAY BACK A LONG TIME AGO IN A SOUL SOCIETY FAR FAR AWAY... Aizen gets found out by Unohana and Isane. Aizen explains what his sword does (in typical shounen Big Bad fashion) and Isane goes "NO WAI! SILLY AIZEN, YOU SAID YOUR SWORD DID THIS! YOU SHOWED IT TO ALL THE VICE CAPTAINS BEFORE-" and then Unohana goes "AHA! THAT'S WHEN YOU USED THE HYPNOSIS RITUAL (I believe that's the way it was translated by Viz, I dunno if it's correct, but that's the "official" translation)." And Aizen goes "YUP, WUTCHA GON' DO 'BOUT IT?" Unohana goes "nothing, we're just gonna stand here and let you escape MEANWHILE ISANE IS GONNA RAT YOU OUT TO THE WHOLE DAMN SOUL SOCIETY."

See, I'm gonna take this as a sign that in order to expose someone to the Kanzen Saimin, you have to do this complicated ritual. He gathered almost all of Soul Society's highest ranking officers together in one place JUST to make sure they all saw it. Pretty sure just whipping his sword out isn't gonna do the trick.

EDIT: and by translation, I meant the phrase "hypnosis ritual." Not the childish and immature summary that accompanied it.

Damn I completely forgot about that. But the question is rather or not it was retconed to work on the draw. Guess we'll find out eventually.

[Lithp]

He gathered everyone together to make sure they saw it, but that doesn't prove anything. It's just a good way to do it. Get everyone at once so there are less places where the plan can be screwed up.

I know about the theory that it only works at the moment of release, but I don't buy it.

Also, Aizen having everyone under his influence would not make him invincible. It's been shown that he can't interfere with the detection of Reitsu & there may be other ways to beat the illusion. Hell, Ichigo could simply "guess & check" him. We can pick up on Aizen's habits, why can't he?

[Aerozord]

do seem to be limits he isn't big on sharing. Like how you have to look at him, or the zanpakto, and he needs some sort of double to disguise as him. He's never pretended to be somewhere he wasn't, unless someone (or his sword) was actually there

[Lithp]

I don't think he actually needs a double, but you might be right. If so, that kind of factors into the whole idea that his power can be analyzed & beaten. It would certainly be very hard, but I think Ichigo is smart enough to do it.

[Kim]

Didn't Captain Shota freeze "him" when nothing was there in the very beginning?

[Aerozord]

no that was Hinamori the whole time, atleast I assume its hard to tell when exactly he switched, but she was covered in the ice too so

[CABAL49]

Ichigo is a clone of his dad