Hatland Mafia

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Lovers is generally 1 town, 1 mafia so that makes sense.
None of my CL Gem suspicion was based on the moogle thing so that doesn't shakemy conclusion on that front.
Does mean that potentilly the cult has at least two dudes though.

[BahamutFlare]

We have no real proof that a cult exists. I mean CL attempting to cult Moogle and Moogle killing himself since he was mafia would be a likely explanation. Now lovers? While it could make sense...

I really don't like the Gem bandwagon guys and girls. I haven't seen any proof except for feelings. And feelings aren't proof except in YuGiOh or some other anime. At this point, I feel like I would agree with going to try to find the mafia. Maybe we can have someone investigate Gem.

Whatever happened to Greed, RO, Viridis, and Gregness? RO was active on D1 if I remember correctly, but D2, these 4 are just fading blips on the radar.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

The "proof" is that he is playing a game exactly like a cult leader would play it until he was called out. Like I'm going to bed so I'm not goign to go through and recut together all his posts but go read it yourself, particularly day 2 aat the start and day 1 just before and prior to snake blowup.
I was waiting for more till Sif buggered it up but tht is about as much proof as you get Day 2.
But shitis there even a bandwagon on gem? I don't think anyone is even voting for him.

All those quiet dudes need to post or we lynch them hard out.
RO has been active day 2 though and I think Greness too. Greed and Virid arethe realquietones.

[P-Sleazy]

I will say this about Cult Leaders. If they're ever successful at making it past the first few days, they tend to "disappear" on those days. Meaning not post much. I've enlisted that strategy before, and IC should remember it too, cause I culted him in that game.

A cult leader would typically be relatively inactive during most of the game (maybe post once or twice to show they're there) and let his culties do most, if not all, of the legwork in trying to lead town discussions. The ideal situation for a cult head though, is ALWAYS going to be to enlist the mafia. Cause for the price of one, he typically gets 4-5 people (assuming he then gradually cults them and doesn't bastardize his agreement by letting one of them take a lynch to distract town)

FOS: Silent people!

Also, this is quite possibly very close to my end for me if votes don't change soon!

Also, YAY! I tried to be helpful for post Sleazy death!

[Geminex]

In regards to hawk:
How did we not see this? It totally fits! The suicide, the hat (I'm guessing a townie-mafia couple), the fact that Kerensky (Lady in the sunhat) died on that night. This has gotta be it.

I mean, even if we forget the currents discussion: It makes a lot more sense for a desperate lover to kill himself than a culted mafiate. Kerensky died that night (assuming lovers in this case are male-female). It fits. So I'm gonna assume this is what happened.

And that kinda invalidates your argument, doesn't it, Sifright? Your point was that I knew that the cult had tried to convert moogle, and subsequently tried to suppress that by claiming that moogle had been suicidal. But if the cult wasn't involved, then I couldn't have know that in the first place.

I'm not saying there's no cult, and smarty still has points against me as well, but see, dude? People make mistakes. I was mistaken on the moogle thing, and so were a bunch of other people. But if the lovers thing turns out to be right, that wouldn't have been mailicious manipulation. We'd just have been us drawing the wrong conclusions. Mine were a bit more wrong, admittedly, but do you see?

As for your points, Smarty... again, I really don't know how to respond, since you didn't bring many examples. Well, except for this:

But basically it's day 1- he echoed both Snake and I arguments when we were the two most active posters in the thread. Then actively pulled away from my position after I gave a hint of what i thought he was doing.
Then early day 2 he engaged me early on, with our little theory discussion,once again walling himself off behind me. It's a consistent pattern of being with the primary posters (not with as in always agreeing with but ina ctive dialogue with) as a way of deflcting attention.
It is a hunch but that's what I'm going off.

In regards to echoing your arguments, I... guess I did, at times? I was uncertain in day 1, cause of a lack of information. And the conclusions you drew normally made a good deal of sense. Though even then, I stayed far away from your lynch on snake, even though you seemed quite in favor of that, and I even clashed with snake a few times.

Also, I can't find you giving me a hint that you thought I was doing anything. I probably just suck at searching, but I don't remember anything either.

And day 2, I posted my thoughts about the night post, yeah. I wanted to give input. Some of those thoughts coincided with your thoughts, some didn't. As for seeking dialogue with heavy posters... Are you sure you're not seeing a pattern that doesn't exist here? Cause if you're an active poster, and I am too, then we are, in many cases, going to be interacting with each other. And if you think I'm seeking dialogue with you more than is usual, I'm pretty sure you're one of the more experienced players here. And from what I've seen so far, I also think you're a townie. I guess I'm just looking for some good input.

You'll note I'm hesitant in my denial, because I'm not sure the trends I'm denying/justifying even exist. I'm just trying to be a productive townie.
But yeah, we can talk about this later.

As for RPG, you asked who I thought was suspicous, right? Well, I'm voting for P-sleazy at the moment, and despite all my apprehension, my vote's staying there. The roleclaim didn't sit well with me at all, in the context of his behavior, and his posting style and voting is really wonky.

I've FOS'd sifright cause of his constant hammering of, what I thought, was a very weak point, though I'll probably unFOS him later. He's zealous, but not necessarily malign.

Earl is a big target, because he's just been weird. I know we had the PO investigation, and there's probably no need to lynch him this soon, but I'll wait and see how things turn out.

I also gave RO a FOS, back when he said he was half-tempted to policy lynch sifright, but I'm withdrawing that. He's been okay otherwise.

Those are really my targets. I try not to declare anyone a suspect unless I'm really sure that they're planning something.

And with that, I, too, head to bed. Night all. Please don't lynch-train me while I sleep.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Hawk

Guys, I just had a revelation (possibly). Been re-reading the thread, trying to make sense of it all, as well as looking over mafiascum again, came across something interesting, which kinda links in to something Karesh said a while back

I knew I liked something about you, Hawk. The suspicions I'd been having had no focus. But your suggestion matches the stimuli and the supposed power vacuum Moogle would have had.

[Mr.Bookworm]

If there's anyone who has not posted Today, you need to start posting Tomorrow, or I'm going to have to go through and gather player post counts, which is just a gigantic pain in the ass. So get posting.

Vote Count

P-sleazy - 5
Smarty
Bahamut
Ocelot
Geminex
Karesh

rpgdemon - 2
Sifright
B_real

Sifright - 1
IC

Geminex - 1
Ravashak

9 to lynch. ~6 hours left.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Go to the Forum Games page, and on the far right of the title of this thread is the current number of replies.
If you click that number it opens a small window which displays all the posters amount of posts.
Karesh 64
Sifright 64
rpgdemon 43
Solid Snake 38
Geminex 38
Smarty McBarrelpants 36
BahamutFlare 24
Fenris 23
Hawk 21
Bard The 5th LW 20
Kerensky287 18
Mr.Bookworm 18
Aldurin 17
P-Sleazy 17
Gregness 12
Ravashak 12
Revolving Ocelot 11
Inbred Chocobo 11
greed 10
Moogle0119 5
Viridis 3
Nikose Tyris 1
Shyria Dracnoir 1

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Technically mine would be 65, and now 66.
In your face, Sif.

[BahamutFlare]

I thought a LOT more people were voting for Gem. I guess I missed all the unvotes?

Smarty, I read your arguments and Gem's. But that's not proof. Or at least, I don't have the capabilities to understand how a cult should act like because this is my first game. Any theories I thought of were of a cultless mafia game. For me to be persuaded to chase a might be ghost, I'd need to see some hard proof.