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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:13 PM   #5681
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Also, maybe Gamzee's the bigger threat? Or maybe she's just really pissed that he's wearing tropies from Nepeta and Equius.
...It makes absolutely no sense that Kanaya would be more offended by the guy who may or may not have killed Nepeta and Equius, than the guy who definitely killed her, destroyed the matriorb, and killed Feferi.
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:15 PM   #5682
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Gamzee had Nepeta's blood all over his club, its obvious he killed her.

As for the why, he was closest to her.
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:15 PM   #5683
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You kinda don't know that he's doing that.
The author is responsible for giving readers enough of an idea of the inner thoughts and motivations of the characters' perspectives that their actions, while surprising, should not completely contradict our knowledge of their respective realities.

In Kanaya's reality, Eridan has done crazy shit, and worse, crazy shit that has personally affected her and her responsibilities regarding the future of their race. Gamzee and Vriska have not done crazy shit.

I mean, even assuming Kanaya witnessed Gamzee killing Nepeta firsthand, I still would presume she'd attack Eridan first, even though at least seeing that image beforehand would prime me for the possibility that she'd be aware that Gamzee was a villain and a tactical threat that merit attacking first.
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:16 PM   #5684
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:17 PM   #5685
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How would she even know that, though?
From her the limited perspective of her personal knowledge, Gamzee's a cool clown who's just wearing Nepeta and Equius' clothes for a random reason
Aside from the claw mark running across his face that was clearly delivered by Nepeta, Nepeta's blood being on his clubs, him wearing the glasses Equius never took off, and the fact that, by that point, they were all aware of the threat he presented if he ever came out of his haze:

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CCG: HE'S COMPLETELY SNAPPED, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU FURTHER AHEAD ON THE TIMELINE, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU HOW DANGEROUS HE IS.
Then yeah, I guess he would seem completely harmless to a complete fucking moron with no situational awareness to speak of.
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:17 PM   #5686
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Shining Vampires= Awesome.

And that would've been awesome enough with just the kick to the junk. But adding in the fact he got knocked off a cliff? Priceless.
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:19 PM   #5687
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...I'm really just incredibly confused as to why Kanaya would attack Gamzee before Eridan.
1) He's closer
2) Karkat said that the Bard of Rage is killing people in his memo/Tavros blood is all over the walls with Gamzee's calling card so she would know he's a killer one way or another
3) She doesn't know that Vriska killed Tavros and expects to team up with her to take out Eridan, who she would probably want to do more than kick his dick
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:19 PM   #5688
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...Yeah, you're all doing a fine job reaching for purely hypothetical circumstances in which Kanaya would reasonably attack Gamzee first, but this still doesn't change the fact that it's an author's responsibility to communicate enough information to the readers so that we're not debating wacky hypotheticals.

I get that Andrew's awesome and all, but that doesn't exempt him from having to follow the same traditions in concocting good characters that any other author needs to follow. Andrew's weakness (among others) is that he often assumes his readers catches onto information that he never adequately displays or makes known, and then he relies on avenues like his formspring to "correct" his readers for "obvious errors in judgment" they've made when they're really just responding to complete voids in information.
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:21 PM   #5689
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...Yeah, you're all doing a fine job reaching for purely hypothetical circumstances in which Kanaya would reasonably attack Gamzee first
And you're doing a fine job of consistently complaining about this comic since John first entered the Medium, so how about we just call it a day here?
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Unread 02-17-2011, 04:21 PM   #5690
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The author is responsible for giving readers enough of an idea of the inner thoughts and motivations of the characters' perspectives that their actions, while surprising, should not completely contradict our knowledge of their respective realities.
Like I said, I don't think it's a contradiction. Yes, Eridan has showed himself to be unstable and capable of causing a lot of harm. But Kanaya's never been particularly vengeful, and quite pragmatic when it came down to it. And I don't think it's unreasonable to assume she knows what Gamzee's capable of. Like I said, it's possible, if not likely, that she's found other trolls' corpses. He's also been writing messages on the walls in troll blood, and signing them with a clown face. He's wearing trophies from his victims, and there's blood on his club. She is going to know that shit has been going down.

And once she knows this, I'd assume that she can deduce that he's become the Bard of Rage. Karkat deduced that just from chatting with the MOTHERFUCKER. And, like Karkat, she'd have realized that, hey. BLUH BLUH. HUGE THREAT.

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To sum it up, she can deduce that he's the bard of rage from the given evidence. And from this, she can deduce that he is a massive threat. It makes sense that she'd attack him.

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