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[The Kneumatic Pnight]

Originally Posted by ugainius

2 Bothan Spy shizz) Unless the Borg have developed some kind of Starfighter (Which I doubt they have seeing as this is its first encounter with Imperial tech) The Borg Cube would still be obliterated by the (sigh) DS in a matter of seconds. Not to mention the close range turrets intercepting the missle

That's why they have the missile guide itself and cloak. The Bothans have cloaking technology, and the MODERN DAY has guided missiles, extrapolated out to that time frame, there's no reason you couldn't strap a cloaking device on that thing and let it pilot itself to the port.

Originally Posted by ugainius

3 2 Cubes) Oh yeah? Well then... IMPERIAL NAVY FUCK-CLUSTER

They're all lasers. Once you've adapted to one, you've adapted to them all, so to speak. I mean, there's methodologies within that, in much the same way the Federation used, but the Imperials have never shown themselves as creative as the Federation. Even insomuch as they're more effective than they seem against the protagonists most of the time, that's not even an issue here. The Imperials may be effective, but clever and creative?

Maybe they're on top, and they've never really had to be... but that still just makes it less likely.

Admittedly, those are either very unlikely or not in the spirit or letter of the competition, so I'd still go Death Star, but I think you're dismissing them too easily.

EXCEPTION: POS.

That seems all well and good. Really, there's only one flaw I can see. The borg never seemed to have very effective memory retention, in instances like that.

I mean, that may just be protagonist deus ex machina mumbo jumbo, but they still seemed to forget even the most general tactics and lose old adaptations over time. However, assuming that's not really something we want to count on, since there's no real explanation for it except "woo, protagonists", then yeah, that works.

[ArlanKels]

By the way...in this fight betwixt the Borg Cube and the Death Star are we talking about destruction of one vessel == win?

[Sithdarth]

We're forgetting one very key fact. The planet killing weapon takes like a minute or more to fire and before firing it builds up energy. Further the energy condensing of the ring of lasers in the center means it can't actually move while firing. It can't move because the second it did the photons that had been collecting at that center point would stay while the beams moved to another spot. Meaning the whole charging process would have to start over. So unless the Death Star can magically keep the Borg Cube in the same place for more than a minute its no contest. The Borg beam over and assimilate.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by The Kneumatic Pnight

EXCEPTION: POS.

That seems all well and good. Really, there's only one flaw I can see. The borg never seemed to have very effective memory retention, in instances like that.

I mean, that may just be protagonist deus ex machina mumbo jumbo, but they still seemed to forget even the most general tactics and lose old adaptations over time. However, assuming that's not really something we want to count on, since there's no real explanation for it except "woo, protagonists", then yeah, that works.

Well, I don't know if it's so much a lack of memory retention as it is the fact that, for a collective hive-mind, the Borg are extremely fucking arrogant. They've got nigh-endless weapons covering the entire surface of their ships, adaptive shielding, regenerative ships, and has as about many drones on one cube as the population of my hometown. A single vessel can wipe out a whole starfleet and conquer a planet alone. They can afford to just attack straight on in nearly every case because a scan of the ships in front of them warranted just such an approach.

The only exception was Species 8472, who couldn't be scanned or assimilated and could break out a Death Star-type planetkiller attack in an instant. Now, the Borg couldn't deal with that at all, but Imperial technology is quite a bit behind something like the Federation, or even the Pakleds for that matter. Also, it takes a bit of time for the Death Star's weapon to target, charge up, and fire, which is long enough for the Borg to scan, adjust, and devise a strategy to combat it (EDIT: Like what Sith just said).

I mean, hell, it's just a big laser, right? That's so far behind Star Trek technology that Borg shields may just come automatically adapted to it.

Originally Posted by ArlanKels

By the way...in this fight betwixt the Borg Cube and the Death Star are we talking about destruction of one vessel == win?

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, even if the Death Star won the official fight, they'd eventually be taken down by the rest of the collective.

[Lumenskir]

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[The Kneumatic Pnight]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Well, I don't know if it's so much a lack of memory retention as it is the fact that, for a collective hive-mind, the Borg are extremely fucking arrogant. They've got nigh-endless weapons covering the entire surface of their ships, adaptive shielding, regenerative ships, and has as about many drones on one cube as the population of my hometown. A single vessel can wipe out a whole starfleet and conquer a planet alone. They can afford to just attack straight on in nearly every case because a scan of the ships in front of them warranted just such an approach.

This is true. And I started out thinking that, towards the end, they really shouldn't have kept underestimating the Federation, until I realized that the Federations great victories were against one cube. Of which the Collective has hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands.

Originally Posted by POS Industries

The only exception was Species 8472, who couldn't be scanned or assimilated and could break out a Death Star-type planetkiller attack in an instant. Now, the Borg couldn't deal with that at all, but Imperial technology is quite a bit behind something like the Federation, or even the Pakleds for that matter. Also, it takes a bit of time for the Death Star's weapon to target, charge up, and fire, which is long enough for the Borg to scan, adjust, and devise a strategy to combat it (EDIT: Like what Sith just said).

Well, yeah, Species 8472 just had the Collective outgunned from every angle. They were really quite screwed. It was more an aspect of Species 8472 being, by design, just universally better than them at everything than any one, singular aspect.

Originally Posted by POS Industries

I mean, hell, it's just a big laser, right? That's so far behind Star Trek technology that Borg shields may just come automatically adapted to it.

While this is true to an extent, you could always bring in that the Empire... well, the Republic, were far older than the Federation, and had the technology to span galaxies in what must be reasonable travel times, compared to the Federation's small portion in forever.

So, yeah, I wouldn't really count on the lasers = inferior argument. But, well, we just don't know. I mean, some sources credit to Imperial lasers literally impossible levels of power, though I wouldn't really count on them. Anyway, it's my instinct just to call the whole thing a wash, just to simplify everything, since the movies themselves don't really grant any greater insights than that they're about as powerful as everyone else.

Edit: Also, if the Borg are really overconfident, I doubt they'd randomly equip their geometric ships with immunity to things they shouldn't have to worry about anyway. But this is still realms of speculation.

However, considering what you and Sithdarth have said, I must reconsider my position. This seems like a win for the Collective... and a loss for everyone else.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by The Kneumatic Pnight

This seems like a win for the Collective... and a loss for everyone else.

Yeah, I just can't imagine anything good coming out of the Borg walking away with a giant planet killing superweapon.

[The Kneumatic Pnight]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Yeah, I just can't imagine anything good coming out of the Borg walking away with a giant planet killing superweapon.

Or Hyperdrive, Superclones, and some manner of Evil Jedi with a mentioned (if stupid) biological cause... thing.

No, wait, I disagree, because that would make goddamn awesome movie.

[Sithdarth]

Yeah if Jedi Knight 2 taught us anything its that you can make people force sensitive. I mean sure it was horribly painful and potentially damaging but the Borg got that covered with their cybernetics. Imagine the horror if drones could beam over and just force lighting everything in their way.

[POS Industries]

Okay, that leads me to my latest idea: Vader of Borg versus a xenomorph alien that burst out of Yoda's chest. Go!