Valve Mafia - "You are all incompetent cowards!"

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Yea, except no. See on day 1 we have exactly 0 pieces of information to go on. The reason I'm voting fenris? Simple The game operators seem to have a fetish for putting him on the mafia team. Unless roles are assigned entirely randomly which i'm betting doesn't happen very often at all then GM/GOs are choosing to put fenris on mafia i'm banking on that being the case here with a Fenris vote.

Randomly assigning people to roles is usually what happens. I can think of exactly two games in recent memory in which roles were not randomly assigned.

And even if RO assigned roles at a whim, what's to stop him from going "Well, Fenris sure has been mafia a lot lately, I'm going to put him on the town side."

The fact of the matter is that role assignment in past mafia games is entirely separate from role assignment in future mafia games, because otherwise it leads to shit like this.

Originally Posted by Sifright

What constitutes a sensible and rational reason to vote a person out day 1?

They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1? They roleclaim mafia on Day 1? They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1?

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Fenris

They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1? They roleclaim mafia on Day 1? They seem suspicious due to the content of their posts on Day 1?

barring very rare flubs this almost never happens though I can think of two instances where it occured in all the games i've played here at NPF. In the event I see something suspicious I will of course move my vote.

As I have nothing else to go on until such happens I will keep my vote on you.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Okay, so just to be clear

Unvote: The man that isn't playing

Vote: Sifright

Because that is a horrible reason to vote for someone is their track record. Previous mafia games should have no or very little influence on the next games. Just because someone was scum one game doesn't mean they are scum this game.

If you argued that it has been impossible to tell what Fenris's role has been no matter what game he was in, then I could maybe believe that one, but that arguement. Well last game I was a townie, and you saw how much I was pro town, so you can trust me when I say that is a bad arguement.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

Okay, so just to be clear

Unvote: The man that isn't playing

Vote: Sifright

Because that is a horrible reason to vote for someone is their track record. Previous mafia games should have no or very little influence on the next games. Just because someone was scum one game doesn't mean they are scum this game.

If you argued that it has been impossible to tell what Fenris's role has been no matter what game he was in, then I could maybe believe that one, but that arguement. Well last game I was a townie, and you saw how much I was pro town, so you can trust me when I say that is a bad arguement.

I'm not seeing where my reasoning is specious i'm casting a vote on fenris precisely because I have nothing to go on. As soon as I have any reason to actually vote for some one I will move my vote,as i've yet to see any where else worth voting yet I'm not going to change my vote.

There is little difference between me spinning a wheel and voting some one randomly like most have done so far in this thread and my vote which currently resides on Fenris.

Unvote:Fenris

Vote:InbredChocobo

evidently I find this suspicious.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Sifright

I'm not seeing where my reasoning is specious i'm casting a vote on fenris precisely because I have nothing to go on

That is literally the worst reason to ever cast a vote.

[Ecks]

Well shit. If we're already done jokevoting and clowning around already I'll just go ahead and Unvote: Fenris.

That said I don't really see any information strong enough to cast a vote. Imma lurk for a bit. When is the deadline again?

EDIT: 72 hours... so about a day and a half left.

[Ryong]

Originally Posted by BahamutFlare

While I appreciate the amount of strength you seem to give me, you left out a piece of information. Chance of being an important townie is the reason you're not voting? How about the fact that I can be dangerous as a townie? I don't have to be mafia to be good at the game.

Now to analyze you. You could easily have thought of it. You seemed confident and intelligent before, so I assume you have thought of this. If you are scum, it's easy to overlook both sides of the story and just display the negative. As town, you would've probably elaborated more. Because your metagame analysis is unsound:

Vote: Ryong

Okay, to make myself clear because apparently it wasn't before:

Whatever your allegiance is, I believe you'll be a key player. I may be giving you too much credit, but from what I've seen in other games, when you're scum you manage to dodge getting called out as such very well and when you're town you find scum with no apparent trouble.

So unless you act really suspicious, there's way too much risk to vote for you.

Mind you, this is, what, my first real mafia game I think? So I can be completely wrong y'know.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Sifright

barring very rare flubs this almost never happens though I can think of two instances where it occured in all the games i've played here at NPF. In the event I see something suspicious I will of course move my vote.

As I have nothing else to go on until such happens I will keep my vote on you.

People who are/aren't inactive, and how people act/ how they acted in their previous games are both big hints as to what roles they have. The way you win Mafia isn't just by sitting there twiddling your thumbs and going, "Gee, I hope the scum all out themselves! Anyone? No? Okay, let's just kill this guy."

I mean, let's take your argument to the (il)logical extreme: We don't bother trying day 1, because no one outs themselves. Well, day 2 now, we've got nothing to go off of... Gee, whatever, let's just choose someone at random. Oh, no one outed themselves again? Fuck it, Frank's getting voted today.

It's a scummy strategy that only helps scum, to keep the "We've got no clue, guys just vote whoever, it's totally sweet." period going.

Vote: Sifright

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

People who are/aren't inactive, and how people act/ how they acted in their previous games are both big hints as to what roles they have. The way you win Mafia isn't just by sitting there twiddling your thumbs and going, "Gee, I hope the scum all out themselves! Anyone? No? Okay, let's just kill this guy."

I mean, let's take your argument to the (il)logical extreme: We don't bother trying day 1, because no one outs themselves. Well, day 2 now, we've got nothing to go off of... Gee, whatever, let's just choose someone at random. Oh, no one outed themselves again? Fuck it, Frank's getting voted today.

It's a scummy strategy that only helps scum, to keep the "We've got no clue, guys just vote whoever, it's totally sweet." period going.

Vote: Sifright

Except thats bollocks and it's not what I'm advocating. The result of the Day 1 vote allows us to establish potential voting patterns and see who is voting for who and why.

Day 1 is almost always a low information day, but by choosing a person to vote for and seeing how every one reacts to that we can start to delineate potential agendas.

In fact IHMN used this exact scenario to out almost all of the mafia after one game day in Nikoses game.

a small two vote block formed on a player and half the mafia team jumped on that block and called it out as a bandwagon with poor reasoning yadda yadda yadda, turns out those guys were mafia.

FOS:

Inbred
RPG


You two are mafia players trying to look good. Townies are hiding out.

Your calling out my voting when there is no danger of shit going down and a townie wouldn't care about my vote yet because there is no danger of it leading to anything. A mafia player how ever knows who is and isn't on his team and can call out 'bad' arguments early on to try and look good and then utilize that to lead a lynch on the person and they have a ready made excuse afterwards and just go "Well gosh gee darn it, it just so happens he was town any way but with that terrrrible reasoning I just had to vote him out."

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Sifright

but by choosing a person to vote for and seeing how every one reacts to that we can start to delineate potential agendas.

That makes a lot more sense than what you were saying before - thanks for clarifying.