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Unread 11-12-2007, 12:32 PM   #51
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My favorite so far was this:
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Originally Posted by Papa Bear Bill, who called Colbert a pinhead
I wrote "Kids are Americans, Too" for gay kids who are getting bullied. They should read the book, know their rights. I don't want anything like that to happen.
Is it me, or did he tell them that they should read his book to know their rights, but that he doesn't want that to happen? It's like the idiots version of the critique sandwich, only instead of the compliments on the outside with useful criticism on the inside, you've got "homosexuals don't have rights" on the outside with "buy my book" on the inside.
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Unread 11-12-2007, 03:10 PM   #52
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I come to expect this sort of thing from O'Reilly. He's the Howard Stern of the political spectrum blaa blaa etc.
What's this have to do with sweet, sweet, sweet lesbians?

Not that I don't agree that Bill seems like some sort of a, dare I say asshole? No I don't. Let's say, a bit too conservative for my tastes. And he can't seem to argue very well.

I still don't really see the problem here. Let's return to the original story once more. So the parents of the other kid aren't really all that ok (yet, it better be yet) with her sexual orientation. There's a lot of things parents aren't originally ok with when it comes to their children. Ok, this is a bigger issua than some in many ways. But I'm trying to say that you don't take something out of the yearbook of a high-school just because some parents think their kid should not have been voted in there. Not all things should be totally controlled by parents.

Am I making any sense?
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Unread 11-12-2007, 06:49 PM   #53
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It's like political correctness gone mad again. Oversensitivity in a way. At what point did it become OK in society to censor anything because of a single complaint?
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Unread 11-12-2007, 06:59 PM   #54
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At what point did it become OK in society to censor anything because of a single complaint?
Tell a SSB fan that Captain Falcon has been canceled, and you'll have to censor something.

But in all seriousness, society these days is too uptight. George Carlin says it best: What's Wrong With Society: Language; Euphemisms
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Unread 11-13-2007, 04:33 PM   #55
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It's like political correctness gone mad again. Oversensitivity in a way. At what point did it become OK in society to censor anything because of a single complaint?
Pretty much what I was trying to say in a way. Or what I was thinking anyhow.

I don't know when it became OK, or if it completely has yet. But things seem to be headed that way.

Sweet lesbians, yay! Just to keep it on topic?
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Unread 11-13-2007, 06:04 PM   #56
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Under most definitions of the term with which I'm familiar, political correctness would argue for letting the lesbians be in the yearbook. This is just the plain old vanilla-flavor reactionary smallmindedness we've pretty much always had.

I mean I'm just saying, statements like this --

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But in all seriousness, society these days is too uptight.
-- presuppose that there is some point in the past where a community would have been less uptight about two highschool girls in an openly lesbian relationship appearing in the school's yearbook.

I mean I don't know what it's like in Finland but as far as things in America, if you went back thirty, twenty, even ten years ago this would probably have never been a story in the first place, not because the girls were so much more accepted by their community, but because they were too shamed and pressured to be open about their relationship in the first place.
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Unread 11-13-2007, 06:57 PM   #57
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I meant more in terms of how, quite often these days, it only takes one person complaining (in this instance about a lesbian relationship, but to a greater degree it can apply almost unilaterally towards any particular situation that someone gets their back up about) to have the censorship police come down on the situation in question.

Admittedly off topic, but nonetheless it was somewhat related. You make a valid point about the overall openness of the nation(world) and its attitude, but for what we've gained in progressive attitudes, we've lost in...I want to say, tolerance? Tha sort of "mind your own business" bit, where people would just say "well that upsets me in a minor way, but it's not like it's actually hurting anyone so I don't think I will complain about it" mixed with the "OH NO SOMEONE COMPLAINED PULL IT QUICK".
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Unread 11-14-2007, 06:05 AM   #58
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There's a difference between selfish whining and a justified complaint. America no longer teaches the distinction.
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Unread 11-17-2007, 05:17 PM   #59
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I mean I don't know what it's like in Finland but as far as things in America, if you went back thirty, twenty, even ten years ago this would probably have never been a story in the first place, not because the girls were so much more accepted by their community, but because they were too shamed and pressured to be open about their relationship in the first place.
Hell, I think that 30years ago in Finland people didn't even know about homosexuality.

But basically if back then this wouldn't have been news since it was too sensitive a subject, just too damn embarrasing and not accepted at all, as it no doubt was... We've come, if not a long way then some way anyhow, from back then.

But as we are supposedly a more open and accepting society in general it appears that at the same time we haven't become any less sensitive to what others think or have to say about it. We've actually started to care more about that than previosly. And while caring about what others think and taking it in to consideration is a good thing in many ways, there is a difference between being thoughtfull about it or just being afraid to stirr other people up a bit.

It's easier to just please the party who is going to cause more of a comotion. These days that would often be the more conservative party. Let's please them quickly so they shut up and don't embarras us any more? So what happened is that the tables turned instead of developement?

I hope I'm making sense. I have a hard time putting my thoughts in english in such a way that it's understandable.

I'd get it better if I was talking instead of writing.
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Unread 11-18-2007, 01:07 PM   #60
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From my experiance, the up-and-coming generation is LOADS more tolerant than the previous ones. I can't wait until we're all in charge of society, I think the spillover of being raised by children of the 1960's is finally kicking in.
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