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Fifthfiend · 04-30-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

I stand by my statement that making it sound not-awful involves chainsaw surgery, but I will admit that Lucas never was fantastic.

I don't think that Mike is disagreeing, he's just saying that the same surgery has been required and successfully accomplished before.

The major problem with the prequels was that instead of casting Young Harrison Ford, whereever he may be these days, they got Hayden fucking Christensen, who has precisely none of the brass it would take to make that surgery happen.

Magus · 04-30-2009, 09:57 PM

Christensen is just a bad actor, he wasn't any good in Jumper either. I think someone with acting ability could've pulled it off even with the writing being so atrocious (other than the sand speech. IT GETS EVERYWHERE!) If a good actor had been chosen, reviews would say, "Such-and-such pulls off a dramatic performance despite mediocre writing on the part of Lucas" instead of "Everything about this is pretty bad and it's unfortunate the 10 year old from the first one was probably slightly better than Christensen."

What I'm saying is even if Lucas had had good writing, Christensen would've butchered it. A good actor can turn things around to a certain degree.

Bells · 04-30-2009, 10:27 PM

The only thing the prequels gave me was the notion that the main character in the Star Wars movie universe is Obi Wan Kenobi. And, by god, that is a awesome main character. Too bad that pussy Anakin and, then, that dead weight named Luke dragged him down so much...

I always point to the 3rd movie of the prequels, as that everything right up to the point where they take the elevator to go fight Dooku, everything is AWESOME in that movie. But from that exact moment until the end of the movie... is like a completely different, very very bad, movie.

They also managed to ruin the prequels when George Lucas went all "You know what? Genetics is all the rage these days!" And poof... the force is genetic.

They also ruined Phantom Menace when they went "Let's make a movie for old SW nerds to see with their kids!".

Really, Give me Obi Wan, Windu (From the CARTOON Clone wars) and Qui-Gon Fighting the Grievous from the CARTOON Clone Wars, Darth Maul and Anakin. And MAYBE the Non-Pussy Dooku.... everyone else can just explode in a moon somewhere.

Magus · 04-30-2009, 10:53 PM

We should all just rewatch the Clone Wars cartoon over and over because it was so totally great, three hours of awesome. Way better than anything else that came out of the prequels.

I always thought the Dooku fight in Episode III would've had more thematic weight if it had occurred after Anakin knew Palpatine was Darth Sidious and the fight was a battle to determine which would be Sidious' apprentice, like a rite of passage for Anakin, similar to what happens in Return of the Jedi, except of course Anakin wants to be a Sith Lord and Luke ultimately rejects the Dark Side.

I mean, we do have Anakin killing the Jedi brats which is also a Dark Side rite of passage but a Sith duel would have been icing on the cake. We can sort of see that it WAS secretly a Sith duel from Palpatine's perspective but Anakin knowing this would've been far superior to the whole "I SHOULDN'T DO THIS BUT I'M GOING TO DO THIS FOR SOME REASON. MAN I SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT."

What this really means though is I and the rest of you could write a better Star Wars movie than Lucas ever could.

Archbio · 04-30-2009, 11:23 PM

I really don't have a that high an opinion of the Clone Wars cartoon myself; it's something about the constant over the top action on the one hand and Genndy Tartakovsky's misshapen freak characters heart-breaking attempts to emote dramatically on the other.

I think that the movie General Grievous from the first sequence (the siege) of Episode III is a superior character to the cartoon Grievous because of the ways he was toned down. Being a villain so flawed made him into a pretty unique, striking figure contrasted to the series other villains.

That is, until all of the menace was sucked out of him by the time he had to fight.

Masaki-kun · 05-01-2009, 10:59 AM

Cut Grevious some slack. He got nerfed because he decided to mess with Mace Muthafuckin' Windu. Who like, crushed his lungs or something.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 05-01-2009, 12:23 PM

Having just recently re watched it, I can safely say this.

Star Wars; Clone Wars. Directed by Genndy Tartakovsky is without a doubt my favorite piece of media to have come about as a result of Star Wars.

Nothing better than watching Jedi pushed to their logical extreme of being incredibly overpowered and capable of slaughtering entire armies without their lightsabers.

Magus · 05-01-2009, 07:41 PM

Episode III is an odd movie because they just assumed people would know why Grevious had a hard time breathing (Mace Windu lung crush), and also why he would then be a fairly cowardly piece of scrap metal when it came to fighting (I guess he had trouble breathing at that point, as in the Clone Wars cartoon he was nigh unstoppable and they seem to be treating it as canon on the other point so we can assume most of the thing was canon).

All of this besides the fact that most people were probably unaware that he was originally human before being put into a droid body so it just didn't make any sense at all to them that he had trouble breathing. Lucas just took all of that for granted and didn't even put it in the scroll at the beginning. What he probably should've done was had the movie start out with Palpatine getting kidnapped and not just cutting straight to Anakin and Obi-Wan flying to the space cruiser. That way we get to see what happens to Grevious, and heck, even get him introduced to movie-going audiences, the vast majority of which would not have seen the Clone Wars cartoon.

synkr0nized · 05-01-2009, 08:43 PM

Indeed, indeed. Obi-wan's brief look at him after revealing the organs likely echoed the majority of the audience's "Wait what?" [if they hadn't caught on yet - the eyes and coughing were enough to make me get it - or hadn't seen the cartoon (like me)], but it's never discussed or mentioned. nyoro~n

Hayden Christensen is the lowest aspect of the prequels.

Bells · 05-01-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by synkr0nized

Hayden Christensen is the lowest aspect of the prequels.

Only because Jar Jar was faded out...

04-30-2009, 09:57 PM	#52
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Christensen is just a bad actor, he wasn't any good in Jumper either. I think someone with acting ability could've pulled it off even with the writing being so atrocious (other than the sand speech. IT GETS EVERYWHERE!) If a good actor had been chosen, reviews would say, "Such-and-such pulls off a dramatic performance despite mediocre writing on the part of Lucas" instead of "Everything about this is pretty bad and it's unfortunate the 10 year old from the first one was probably slightly better than Christensen." What I'm saying is even if Lucas had had good writing, Christensen would've butchered it. A good actor can turn things around to a certain degree. __________________ The Valiant Review

04-30-2009, 10:27 PM	#53
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	The only thing the prequels gave me was the notion that the main character in the Star Wars movie universe is Obi Wan Kenobi. And, by god, that is a awesome main character. Too bad that pussy Anakin and, then, that dead weight named Luke dragged him down so much... I always point to the 3rd movie of the prequels, as that everything right up to the point where they take the elevator to go fight Dooku, everything is AWESOME in that movie. But from that exact moment until the end of the movie... is like a completely different, very very bad, movie. They also managed to ruin the prequels when George Lucas went all "You know what? Genetics is all the rage these days!" And poof... the force is genetic. They also ruined Phantom Menace when they went "Let's make a movie for old SW nerds to see with their kids!". Really, Give me Obi Wan, Windu (From the CARTOON Clone wars) and Qui-Gon Fighting the Grievous from the CARTOON Clone Wars, Darth Maul and Anakin. And MAYBE the Non-Pussy Dooku.... everyone else can just explode in a moon somewhere. __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

04-30-2009, 10:53 PM	#54
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	We should all just rewatch the Clone Wars cartoon over and over because it was so totally great, three hours of awesome. Way better than anything else that came out of the prequels. I always thought the Dooku fight in Episode III would've had more thematic weight if it had occurred after Anakin knew Palpatine was Darth Sidious and the fight was a battle to determine which would be Sidious' apprentice, like a rite of passage for Anakin, similar to what happens in Return of the Jedi, except of course Anakin wants to be a Sith Lord and Luke ultimately rejects the Dark Side. I mean, we do have Anakin killing the Jedi brats which is also a Dark Side rite of passage but a Sith duel would have been icing on the cake. We can sort of see that it WAS secretly a Sith duel from Palpatine's perspective but Anakin knowing this would've been far superior to the whole "I SHOULDN'T DO THIS BUT I'M GOING TO DO THIS FOR SOME REASON. MAN I SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT." What this really means though is I and the rest of you could write a better Star Wars movie than Lucas ever could. __________________ The Valiant Review

04-30-2009, 11:23 PM	#55
Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	I really don't have a that high an opinion of the Clone Wars cartoon myself; it's something about the constant over the top action on the one hand and Genndy Tartakovsky's misshapen freak characters heart-breaking attempts to emote dramatically on the other. I think that the movie General Grievous from the first sequence (the siege) of Episode III is a superior character to the cartoon Grievous because of the ways he was toned down. Being a villain so flawed made him into a pretty unique, striking figure contrasted to the series other villains. That is, until all of the menace was sucked out of him by the time he had to fight. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform.

05-01-2009, 07:41 PM	#58
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Episode III is an odd movie because they just assumed people would know why Grevious had a hard time breathing (Mace Windu lung crush), and also why he would then be a fairly cowardly piece of scrap metal when it came to fighting (I guess he had trouble breathing at that point, as in the Clone Wars cartoon he was nigh unstoppable and they seem to be treating it as canon on the other point so we can assume most of the thing was canon). All of this besides the fact that most people were probably unaware that he was originally human before being put into a droid body so it just didn't make any sense at all to them that he had trouble breathing. Lucas just took all of that for granted and didn't even put it in the scroll at the beginning. What he probably should've done was had the movie start out with Palpatine getting kidnapped and not just cutting straight to Anakin and Obi-Wan flying to the space cruiser. That way we get to see what happens to Grevious, and heck, even get him introduced to movie-going audiences, the vast majority of which would not have seen the Clone Wars cartoon. __________________ The Valiant Review

05-01-2009, 08:43 PM	#59
synkr0nized synk-ism Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: throughout the Wired Posts: 6,857	Yes, including Jar-Jar. Indeed, indeed. Obi-wan's brief look at him after revealing the organs likely echoed the majority of the audience's "Wait what?" [if they hadn't caught on yet - the eyes and coughing were enough to make me get it - or hadn't seen the cartoon (like me)], but it's never discussed or mentioned. nyoro~n Hayden Christensen is the lowest aspect of the prequels. __________________ Find love.