#1138: "The omnipotent jackass just jacked his own ass!"

[Doc T]

Next comic: Sarda unceremoniously slaughters the Light Warriors.

Saturday's Comic: Sarda is still unsatisfied and ressurects the Light Warriors to kill them again.

Next Week: Sarda has been killing them over and over and over for some time. The Dark Warriors enter the scene. In the ensuing fight, Light and Dark Warriors vs. Sarda, somehow, Garland of people accidentally deals the killing blow to Sarda.

The resulting XP Garland gains from killing the most powerful being in the universe turns him into Chaos.

It's totally simple, ties in with the game's plot and most definitely will not happen.

[Nexus]

I'm calling it right now. The "Nexus" and evil in Black Mage gets spent/used up killing Sarda and he's left weak and incapable of doing any actual harm to people, causing Fighter to feel sorry for him and follow him around everywhere since that's what best buddies do. Thus, we get to keep our favorite do-gooders/morons alive and Black Mage STILL gets screwed over. Everybody wins. : D

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Originally Posted by Athas

Oh and one last thing about predestined fate. It doesn't mean there isn't free will. Just that what you freely choose will be what you were always going to freely choose. Basically under the same exact circumstances with the same knowledge and fore knowledge you will choose the to do the same thing.

Okay I guess I'm going to summarize my feelings on this debate once and for all.

If you can define free will so that every decision you make right now is determined and decided since the universe began, I don't know why people care so much about having it. It's the least amount of freedom I can imagine. You can change around the meanings of words all you want, but the fundamentals of ideas are forever constant. And the idea behind fate is that whatever happens happens as it was always going to happen, whether you like it or not.

I personally like feeling I had an ACTUAL choice in the matter. And yes, I believe in free will.

And I guess mentioning the rest of it for completionist's sake...

It doesn't absolve you from the consequences of your actions either as your choices still have consequences.

Of course it doesn't. It's the same as people who believe in free will thinking they can do whatever they want because they can make any choice they want, and people can't hold it against them because they have free will.

Unfortunatly such a computer would have to be larger then everything so it couldn't be built and would probably only calculate the future after it happened. (For an inital set of input it would reach the correct output but the output would only happen after it was mute)

Yes fate isn't pragmatic or useful.

Originally Posted by Unprodigy

Incidentally, what are you all basing this predestination crap on? Sarda saying so?

Actually no, because that's just as faulty as you're describing it is. Personally, I am basing it on Brian's MANY posts since this discussion started.

Originally Posted by 01d55

Why are people rooting for the Light Warriors?
Honestly it's not like Sarda isn't the least horrible person in that room.

Bias brought about by the perspective of the narrative. Which is actually pretty understandable bias, because it IS the format Brian gave us.

[kh3lgar]

Originally Posted by Gadgeteer

I had a feeling this would be the direction things went.

Then again, if Sarda is omnipotent, he could just bring Onion Kid back from the past for a few minutes.

He doesn't need to since he exists in six directions in time at once.
Notice how onion kid isn't there with him at this point.

[Ti-Phil]

Awwww.... Fighter now knows BM is evil... I guess their friendship is now broken beyond repairs.

[justice~!]

I kind of figured Sarda would die almost immediately after sending Onion Kid away as that sort of ironic "buildup with no payoff" that BM referenced earlier. What could be worse than that? Not only does Sarda spend billions of years waiting for revenge that never occurs, but he has condemned his younger self to going through the exact same thing, never knowing that almost immediately after he does so it all goes south.

However, the way this is heading now I have my doubts about that...

[Dracorion]

Oh, Red Mage.

Originally Posted by Lorpius Prime

I would not be surprised to come back here on Thursday to find the 8BT archives gone, along with all evidence that the comic itself ever existed. Brian will be asking us what the hell we're talking about. And, somewhere in the recessed corners of our minds, we'll hear the sound of an omnipotent jackass laughing at us, forever.

You damn fool! Do you realize what you've done? You've given Brian an idea and you know Brian absolutely has to act on every idea that ever pops into his head!

It's why we've had two fake endings over the course of the comic! You've doomed us all, man!

Originally Posted by AngelFoodBB

So what would have happened if Sarda killed them before they began their adventure?

The comic would actually be King Steve Theater, wherein King Steve, unable to find the Light Warriors, sets off to rescue his daughter and defeat Chaos. He is joined by a supporting cast of Gary, Sara, Garland, White Mage, the Black Belts, a cameo of Onion Kid, Sarda, the occasional phone call to his wife Jane, King Steve (to be explained), a length of string, Elite Guard Hank, the Messenger, Stevebot, and Rodney (whose identity is finally revealed in episode 502, and made clear in episode 3067).

White Mage serves the purpose of directing King Steve and his group of loyal servants toward the Elemental Orbs. Elite Guard Hank and the Messenger play pivotal roles in the vanquishing of Lich (After Lich kills Gary the Messenger runs by, Hank misses and hits Lich, sending the Orb of Earth flying to be caught by Garland. King Steve makes a kingly proclamation that Lich's soul can't be inside the Orb) and Muffin (Muffin eats the Messenger, and Hank spears her through the brain trying to hit him). Sara, in Evil Princess mode, beats Kary in a sword duel, and Kraken is defeated by King Steve when he rips Kraken apart from the inside out after he ate Steve.

Also, King Steve Theater is about three thousand comics longer than 8BT is right now.

EDIT: Made some minor changes to King Steve Theater, also some things that should be mentioned:

Gary is gay and he and one of the Black Belts are a couple until both BBs die to Kary. Gary also suffers from night terrors, and when Lich kills him, he gets sent to Hell and is subsequently kicked out after spending one night there. Sara realizes that Gary is gay, but nobody else knows until Black Belt dies and Gary spirals into depression. He has a one-night-stand with Garland which allows him to move on. King Steve proclaims every "whurzday" to be Black Belt Day, and since then on the anniversary of Black Belt's death all the characters dress up in BB's palette. Gary's homosexuality is revealed after the Black Belt incident. On October 16th 2011 (the anniversary of Black Belts death), King Steve, while dressed up as Black Belt, manages to successfully create a copy of himself by getting lost on his way back to the group's camp. From the group's camp. Sara is driven to a catatonic state by the Steves, until Gary kills one of them to save the world from their combined horror.

[Si Civa]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Also, King Steve Theater is about three thousand comics longer than 8BT is right now.

This just proves how huge jerk Brian is.
Instead giving us what would be the most funniest sprite comic in the world, known as King Steve Theatre, we are given this 8-bit theatre.

Thank you, Brian. And seriously thank you Brian. Without sarcasm. Well, only little bit!

[Amake]

In seven years when everyone's forgotten everything Brian can restart the comic with the title "Red Mage's adventures with animal husbandry".

That is all.

[russianreversal]

I think Sarda might actually be able to see into the future and see that he somehow loses, and that's why he's not very happy with his revenge plan so far, because he's going to lose anyway.

I mean, nobody that omnipotent should be that depressing.