Mainstream marijunna and minorities. - Page 6

Eldezar · 12-05-2009, 03:46 AM

I can't believe I missed this one, but since it is still on the first page, I will add a pothead's knowledge and point of view to the discussion.

Marlboro owns the Marijuana cigarette patent. EDIT: Can't find my source, so let's change this to I am almost positive that Marlboro has the patent.

Add that hemp makes really cheap and good quality rope to your speculations of why it is banned and you got pretty much the exact reasons behind it.

Only the female plant contains THC, and even then only if it is un-pollinated, so a grower must pay attention to remove the male growths.

The cannabis plant gets really freaking huge, so unless you live alone or with other pot smokers, it is unlikely a grower will grow (while it's illegal). Also cats love hemp, and will eat it when given the chance. Why bring that up? Most pot smokers I know have or have had cats.

Even then, most pot smokers are lazy. I know some who have the perfect places to grow, but they don't. I doubt they would if it were legal.

Since history repeats, it is a pretty good assumption to say that most pot smokers will not grow after legalization. I don't know if I will or not, I don't even grow now, but then again I don't have my own place and apparently too much nitrogen in the ground impedes growing or something like that. I'm moving soon anyways so I don't care, maybe I'll see what happens at my new place.

TheDarkChocobo · 12-07-2009, 03:20 AM

I'm torn on the this topic. You see, i remember history (as i payed attention in highschool) prohibition of alcahol gave rise to one of the biggest scourges in american history, orginized crime, and the prohibition of MJ has done something very simmilair. The liberal in me says that if we were to legalize the stuff, it wouldn't give people a reason to commit violent crimes becasue of the stuff (don't judge... i don't smoke...pot)

The conservative in me says, DRUGS ARE BAD! no i don't drink alcahol before you set in on me about that. Just because there have been no MJ related deaths doesn't mean that if we make it readily available there won't be any MJ related incidents... in fact what if there are as many MJ related incidents as there are alcahol related incidents. Then we'll have two types of "under the influence" morons on the roads at any given moment... doubling your chances of getting plowed by one of those said morons.

To me, the government wanting to legalize just sounds like they want to tax something else and suck away more money from people's pockets (in other words, they want a cut of the action). There are too many questions left unanswered for me.

Mesden · 12-07-2009, 07:51 AM

Wait, what's wrong with taxing the theoretically legal Marijuana?

I mean you'd have to just because legalization would force the creation of regulatory agencies, else it'd just stay a street rad-killing unicorn motorcycle, and someone has to pay for regulation.

And I know this might seem like a mean spirited grammar nazi thing, but it's more just a peeve -- it's spelled alcohol.

CABAL49 · 12-07-2009, 08:57 AM

Guys I need to be honest with you. North Carolina grows a lot of weed. I mean A LOT. It isn't uncommon to see it with other crops.

Eldezar · 12-07-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkChocobo

I'm torn on the this topic. You see, i remember history (as i payed attention in highschool) prohibition of alcahol gave rise to one of the biggest scourges in american history, orginized crime, and the prohibition of MJ has done something very simmilair. The liberal in me says that if we were to legalize the stuff, it wouldn't give people a reason to commit violent crimes becasue of the stuff (don't judge... i don't smoke...pot)

The conservative in me says, rad-killing unicorn motorcycleS ARE BAD! no i don't drink alcahol before you set in on me about that. Just because there have been no MJ related deaths doesn't mean that if we make it readily available there won't be any MJ related incidents... in fact what if there are as many MJ related incidents as there are alcahol related incidents. Then we'll have two types of "under the influence" morons on the roads at any given moment... doubling your chances of getting plowed by one of those said morons.

To me, the government wanting to legalize just sounds like they want to tax something else and suck away more money from people's pockets (in other words, they want a cut of the action). There are too many questions left unanswered for me.

The morons that drive drunk are more than likely to be the same ones that drive high. So, yes, I agree that it is certain that there will be an increase of pot-related accidents, though I doubt it will be much more than alcohol related ones. Making pot illegal does not turn responsible people irresponsible.

Also of note is that conservative-leaning news outlets would definitely keep an eye out for any bit of juicy media involving pot. So, like any other crime or accident in the past few decades, we will hear more and more of it simply because the news media reports more on it, not necessarily because there is more of it.

So, instead of worrying about the legalization of pot allowing more morons to access to the drug, why not worry about there being so many morons in the first place, and do something about that?

Kepor · 12-07-2009, 09:24 PM

I don't really see any reason why we shouldn't legalize marijuana. It's not really a harmful chemical, especially considering that alcohol and tobacco are legal.

Jagos · 12-07-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac

Actually if memory serves, Marijuana was made illegal by William Randolph Hearst. I do not know the official reasons right now, but part of it was because of Hemp and how it was a cheaper substitute to Paper and Oil and Hearst owned many paper mills.

Don't quote me on it yet. I need to find the source.

Marijuana was made illegal because hemp was used to make rope. This is back in the 1930s. So it was mainly used to "protect" the shipping industry and the ones that could make rope. Guess how you could grow marijuana? What's that? A license from the government? Very good! Guess how much it cost?

Now move the decimal two spaces to the right and that's the price today.

Now I must admit, I don't take MJ. Don't want to. But if someone wants to do it, great. Just not around me. Should it be illegal? No. Should the government tax it and stop trying to put the brakes on culture? Yes. Should the government look to make a great amount of money because we have a lot of potheads in this country?

Why not ask the Netherlands?

TheDarkChocobo · 12-08-2009, 02:49 AM

first, i implied that the government would only legalize it to tax it.

second, there will always be morons.

lastly, how would legalizing MJ advance our culture?

really, MJ is only popular because of the mainstream icons. if we were to legalize it, hollywood would turn against it, then the youth will follow, then it'll become a whole generation of people wanting pot illegal.

but the government would never make it illegal again because then they are the biggest drug pushers in history, and enjoy the nice boost in taxes too much...

i really think just let sleeping dogs lie on this one. if you smoke, fine keep it in your house. if you buy the stuff, dont buy it off the street, use someone you know.

Mesden · 12-08-2009, 03:31 AM

No one wanted alcohol to be illegal once it was relegalized. There's no basis other than pure conjecture that the youth -- who mind you wouldn't be allowed to purchase it from licensed dealers -- would want to stop because it'd still be illegal to them. This grants access to a recreational rad-killing unicorn motorcycle for adults, just like smoking (to some extent) and drinking.

That the government would like to legalize it for taxes does not make it a bad idea. It just makes it an even better idea if the country can benefit financially off of it as well.

There's no 'sleeping dogs' to let lie here, either. It's an unnecessary contribution to the illegal drug trade that overcrowds our prisons and turns what is a mostly harmless activity into a vice hunt and talking point for deceitful politicians. It's a problem, plain and simple, that it's illegal, just like it was with alcohol.

Professor Smarmiarty · 12-08-2009, 03:49 AM

Why it is wrong if the governmen legalised it precisely to tax it? I'm missing something here.

12-05-2009, 03:46 AM	#51
Eldezar Ferbawlz! Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 665	I can't believe I missed this one, but since it is still on the first page, I will add a pothead's knowledge and point of view to the discussion. Marlboro owns the Marijuana cigarette patent. EDIT: Can't find my source, so let's change this to I am almost positive that Marlboro has the patent. Add that hemp makes really cheap and good quality rope to your speculations of why it is banned and you got pretty much the exact reasons behind it. Only the female plant contains THC, and even then only if it is un-pollinated, so a grower must pay attention to remove the male growths. The cannabis plant gets really freaking huge, so unless you live alone or with other pot smokers, it is unlikely a grower will grow (while it's illegal). Also cats love hemp, and will eat it when given the chance. Why bring that up? Most pot smokers I know have or have had cats. Even then, most pot smokers are lazy. I know some who have the perfect places to grow, but they don't. I doubt they would if it were legal. Since history repeats, it is a pretty good assumption to say that most pot smokers will not grow after legalization. I don't know if I will or not, I don't even grow now, but then again I don't have my own place and apparently too much nitrogen in the ground impedes growing or something like that. I'm moving soon anyways so I don't care, maybe I'll see what happens at my new place. __________________ Patreon Stuff! https://www.patreon.com/NPCProductionCompany Last edited by Eldezar; 12-05-2009 at 03:54 AM.

12-07-2009, 07:51 AM	#53
Mesden There is no Toph, only Melon Lord! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Inside of a box inside of a smaller box Posts: 4,310	Wait, what's wrong with taxing the theoretically legal Marijuana? I mean you'd have to just because legalization would force the creation of regulatory agencies, else it'd just stay a street rad-killing unicorn motorcycle, and someone has to pay for regulation. And I know this might seem like a mean spirited grammar nazi thing, but it's more just a peeve -- it's spelled alcohol. __________________ I can tell you're lying.

12-07-2009, 09:24 PM	#56
Kepor pretty cool guy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 814	I don't really see any reason why we shouldn't legalize marijuana. It's not really a harmful chemical, especially considering that alcohol and tobacco are legal. Last edited by Kepor; 12-07-2009 at 11:33 PM. Reason: Edited 'cause fuck you word filter.

12-08-2009, 03:31 AM	#59
Mesden There is no Toph, only Melon Lord! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Inside of a box inside of a smaller box Posts: 4,310	No one wanted alcohol to be illegal once it was relegalized. There's no basis other than pure conjecture that the youth -- who mind you wouldn't be allowed to purchase it from licensed dealers -- would want to stop because it'd still be illegal to them. This grants access to a recreational rad-killing unicorn motorcycle for adults, just like smoking (to some extent) and drinking. That the government would like to legalize it for taxes does not make it a bad idea. It just makes it an even better idea if the country can benefit financially off of it as well. There's no 'sleeping dogs' to let lie here, either. It's an unnecessary contribution to the illegal drug trade that overcrowds our prisons and turns what is a mostly harmless activity into a vice hunt and talking point for deceitful politicians. It's a problem, plain and simple, that it's illegal, just like it was with alcohol. __________________ I can tell you're lying. Last edited by Mesden; 12-08-2009 at 03:33 AM.

12-07-2009, 03:20 AM	#52
TheDarkChocobo Yeah, I went there. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Danville, Kentucky Posts: 113	I'm torn on the this topic. You see, i remember history (as i payed attention in highschool) prohibition of alcahol gave rise to one of the biggest scourges in american history, orginized crime, and the prohibition of MJ has done something very simmilair. The liberal in me says that if we were to legalize the stuff, it wouldn't give people a reason to commit violent crimes becasue of the stuff (don't judge... i don't smoke...pot) The conservative in me says, DRUGS ARE BAD! no i don't drink alcahol before you set in on me about that. Just because there have been no MJ related deaths doesn't mean that if we make it readily available there won't be any MJ related incidents... in fact what if there are as many MJ related incidents as there are alcahol related incidents. Then we'll have two types of "under the influence" morons on the roads at any given moment... doubling your chances of getting plowed by one of those said morons. To me, the government wanting to legalize just sounds like they want to tax something else and suck away more money from people's pockets (in other words, they want a cut of the action). There are too many questions left unanswered for me.

12-07-2009, 08:57 AM	#54
CABAL49 Not bad. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Senatus Populusque Americanus Posts: 1,584	Guys I need to be honest with you. North Carolina grows a lot of weed. I mean A LOT. It isn't uncommon to see it with other crops.

12-08-2009, 02:49 AM	#58
TheDarkChocobo Yeah, I went there. Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Danville, Kentucky Posts: 113	first, i implied that the government would only legalize it to tax it. second, there will always be morons. lastly, how would legalizing MJ advance our culture? really, MJ is only popular because of the mainstream icons. if we were to legalize it, hollywood would turn against it, then the youth will follow, then it'll become a whole generation of people wanting pot illegal. but the government would never make it illegal again because then they are the biggest drug pushers in history, and enjoy the nice boost in taxes too much... i really think just let sleeping dogs lie on this one. if you smoke, fine keep it in your house. if you buy the stuff, dont buy it off the street, use someone you know.

12-08-2009, 03:49 AM	#60
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Why it is wrong if the governmen legalised it precisely to tax it? I'm missing something here.