Can We Look At Bigotry Like A Virus?

[Hanuman]

The pathless will do great, but if they have a heavy burden to carry, they must either move very slowly or fall often. Also, beyond this, you're right, the analogy begins to break down.

I'd say that follows more into the realm of skill, Int skill = faster travel, wis skills means ignoring obstacles and simplifying the route to the most A to B.

I would be biased toward wisdom over intelligence too, however that's not entirely accurate, although I see what you're saying. You would err on the side of intuitive elements instead of carefully worn treads. I'd refudiate this by saying that if we don't have have those carefully worn paths, we wouldn't have a society - we'd fail to have viable forms of communication, as we'd all be attempting to "intuit" everything. No, each person needs their own well-worn neural pathways, otherwise we'd still be at square one - a square at which no flaming swords, internet, or other things for pleasure could exist, as we'd be not have anything but intuition. In other words, while wisdom is superior, we need both, otherwise we have nothing.

Refudiate?

The old societies worked just fine, and didn't destroy the planet. I represent the path metaphor as disparaging upon the rampant growth of Int over Wis because we as a people aren't fucking mature enough to deal with it, 500 years ago we were drinking booze instead of water... this is not a long time!

C'mon you apes, you want to die tomorrow?

[Premmy]

The old societies worked just fine, and didn't destroy the planet

they would have, they just lacked the means.

[tacticslion]

Originally Posted by Lev

I'd say that follows more into the realm of skill, Int skill = faster travel, wis skills means ignoring obstacles and simplifying the route to the most A to B.

See, while I love DnD, "skill" and "wisdom" weren't really as seperate as we're making them out to be in modern times. Wisdom is, in fact, an acquired skill. Not in DnD, but in real life, you have to learn to make wise choices. That's what learning "the right thing" is for.

Originally Posted by Lev

Refudiate?

The old societies worked just fine, and didn't destroy the planet. I represent the path metaphor as disparaging upon the rampant growth of Int over Wis because we as a people aren't fucking mature enough to deal with it, 500 years ago we were drinking booze instead of water... this is not a long time!

C'mon you apes, you want to die tomorrow?

... what? I'm not entirely certain what you're saying here. But not being aware of what I'm talking about has never stopped me before! So...

First: Yes, refudiate an over-emphasis on intuition than reason, but similarly not over-emphasize reason at the expense of intuition. We need both - an innate sense of right and wrong, as well as a rational thought processes. They're not mutually exclusive, but we often make them out to be.

Second: I see that from your perspective we've over-developed the intellect at the expense of the intuition, but the question is how do we develop - as a race - something that is inherently personal? We can't force people to be mature. That's impossible. As a race, we can't make ourselves mature simply by wanting it. Each individual has to make that choice and follow through. We can educate, guide, and aid as much as possible, but then that falls into apparent "INT" for you. Intuition can be grown as well, but it takes time and personal effort, and can't be "mass produced" because each person is different.

Third: As far as drinking booze instead of water: it was cleaner. Seriously, they'd likely die or at least get really sick if they drank the water. The booze killed the bateria that killed people. I'm a teatotaller - I don't drink alcohol at all. Yet similarly, I recognize that it was a valid and necessary survival tactic within ancient societies. A survival tactic that was learned by observation (wisdom-based in DnD) combined with logical conclusions (intelligence-based in DnD). Really it took both to survive, either that or pure, dumb luck - i.e. random chance that worked out "in our favor", which is unlikely. Also, 500 years is a very long time, just as much as it's not. Societies and civilizations rise and fall within 500 years - and have. At the same time, compared to all of human history? Not so much. But a very large number of accomplishments have occured - both intuitive and skilled - within that time. The problem with pure intuition is that it leads to a self-only improvement. Without the intellect, a particular entity's accomplishments benefit only themselves. Only with a communcable intellect can that intuition benefit the whole. Similarly, the problem with purely intellectual ("skilled") thought is that it fails to take into account right and wrong - it can learn to do something, but doesn't care if its a good idea or not. Both of those things are related in humans. Wisdom - recognizing right from wrong - helps us learn to use our skills better, that is properly. Intelligence, as you define it, simply allows us to have skills. As I define it, it simply allows us to know about our skills.

Also, I think this is branching into its own conversation that's getting away from bigotry and whether or not we can cure it like a virus. A new thread, perhaps, to restate our arguements and clarify our intentions while not derailing this one more? Alternatively, I could let you have the last word and drop it, your choice.

[Hanuman]

We have had many colorful strides into the future due to our progress, but my bias is made passionate by the price we have payed for it.

The water was dirtied by idiotic choices, they used an emergency tactic to solve what they broke by straying from their already developed ways.

First:
Did you mean repudiate?


Second:
We develop a culture who prides wisdom, this creates a 'soft power' void (the void is caused by a currently vacant social demand for) around wisdom and the low pressure area causes people to want to follow suit. Humans are VERY predictable, thanks to mirror neurons and how we base self worth.

Third:
I define int as mental power, "smart", where as knowledge I define as a grey area in-between, and experience I define as wisdom. The biggest problem I see with path making is that paths are contagious.