Brians Superman Post

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Superman just isn't meant to be dark and he can't kill people cause that's not what he does. He's supposed to be the beacon of hope for the whole world even though it may be hard for him. If you can't trust Superman to put away criminals without killing anyone than you can't trust any other hero. As almost everyone has already said, All-Star Superman is probably the greatest thing to happen to the character. Ever.It gave us one moment that summed up all their is about the character that we hold dear.

I love this character and I hate how wrong that trailer got him. It's like the people who made it weren't even aware of Christopher Reeve's performance as him.

[Odjn]

Originally Posted by Kurosen

You do All-Star Superman, or Superman For All Seasons, or Superman: Red Son.

See the reason these are all great is because they're one shots and thus they don't get sloppy. I wish all Superman everywhere was one shots.

[Kurosen]

I tend to agree, but there's good stuff in continuity too. It's just few and far removed because it's hard as hell to do it right.

[Odjn]

Originally Posted by Kurosen

I tend to agree, but there's good stuff in continuity too. It's just few and far removed because it's hard as hell to do it right.

I think the one thing we agree upon in comics is that ongoing comics focused on characters are generally bad because they cut out an essential component of stories, the ending.

[Fifthfiend]

In-continuity Superman comics were great for a bunch of years, which are also the same years that a lot of the out of continuity comics people rave about were published, because DC at that time was publishing good comics. Their in-continuity Superman comics are dogshit now because their comics in general are dogshit now. There's no continuity / out of continuity magic that makes stories good, there's mostly just good comics and shitty comics.

PS Red SonBasically every Mark Millar comic was a great comic if you like comics where the premise is "WHAT IF we replaced every character in this comic with a smug, douchey android."

[Kurosen]

There's no continuity / out of continuity magic that makes stories good

Being allowed to ignore the monthly grind of fillers, tie-ins and spin-offs to mega events, and fickle editorial whims may not be magic but it sure helps.

[Nique]

Brian I can't find any of your old essay's atm - you had some sort of suggested 'solution' to the constant compression of the continuious timeline and endless cycle of mega-events but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was.

As far as this trailer? I agree but I think it's less 'corrupting the legacy' and more 'hot damn this is some bad writing'. The end effect is only different enough to not really matter at all.

Originally Posted by Fifth

"WHAT IF we replaced every character in this comic with a smug, douchey android."

explain.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Nique

explain.

Comics author Mark Millar's style of writing characters and dialogue is, in my judgment, akin to taking the characters he is ostensibly writing, removing them from the story, and then replacing them with smug, douchey androids.

[waw]

So... I have to agree with Brian's post whole-heartedly. Superman wouldn't just leave...

But.. IF superman left, WHY would he? There's gotta be something that makes a guy like that snap. I think that's a major story issue right there. Superman is the strongest, fastest, "best" superhero that defines the ultimate warrior... and he's got the blue boyscout code of conduct up to his nerts and beyond. This guy doesn't quit, ever, and he doesn't give up on the American Dream.

My major problem with Superman is... ok, he wins, he doesn't give up, saves everyone, overcomes everything because he's the star of a series for 80 years and all powerful....

Uh...

So what if he snaps? What if he FAILS? Not get himself killed, he could deal with that... I mean, what if he fails and someone else got killed because he screwed up? Say Lois Lane got killed because of Lex's plot and Superman nearly went over the brink... almost killing.... and had to leave because of it... worn wragged, burnt out, totally what Bane and Hush did to Batman before. War of Attrition, break his spirit... Superman leaves Earth to recharge... hating that people are dying but feeling responsible.

Lex just has to piss him off

And what about everyone else? well something serious happened to piss these guys off. Notice they all are wearing armor? Even the Flash? They're warriors... no... they're soldiers now. That's something without Superman, something superman wouldn't condone... and supes is shredded (cape... eyes...) So Something happened big that wasn't shown that could drive the Man of Steel to the brink.... something that had to be his own fault... then this story would make sense, and it'd be cool if it was a mission in the game, that could determine the fate of the Heroes and Villains.

Or Lex is lying.

[Kurosen]

Lex lying is the only way the story as presented makes sense, but I'm not sure I'm confident enough in your average video game developer to think any further than "And so Superman is all grimdark and we show Lex killing him and it's bad ass."