Parasite Eve: 3rd Birthday OR Squeenix are a bunch of fucking idiots

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Can you tell me what I want for dinner next? I'm pretty hungry.

Egg Salad and tomato slices. Fucking exquisite.

Also, am I the only one who looks at that image and finds absolutely nothing sexy/fanservicey about it? Honestly, this is not the type of game to get my wank on. I get the feeling that if I ever unzipped my pants a tentacle monster would pop out and scare the bejezus out of me.

Edit: I got jacked by a fucking 8 minute difference what the fucking hell, he wrote a god damned wall.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Also, am I the only one who looks at that image and finds absolutely nothing sexy/fanservicey about it? Honestly, this is not the type of game to get my wank on. I get the feeling that if I ever unzipped my pants a tentacle monster would pop out and scare the bejezus out of me.

Yeah, but it's from Japan.

That's the sexiest part for them.

Edit: I got jacked by a fucking 8 minute difference what the fucking hell, he wrote a god damned wall.

L2Type, Nublet.

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Yeah, but it's from Japan.

That's the sexiest part for them.

Man I get less and less attracted to japanese people every day.

Originally Posted by Krylo

L2Type, Nublet.

Clearly you're just sexist against my having two penises and you only having one.

That's sexism, right? That's how it works? Disliking the other genders and mocking them because they're different? Cooties and shit?

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Hey, thanks for telling me what will or will not offend me. I really appreciate that. Can you tell me what I want for dinner next? I'm pretty hungry.

Hey, thanks for dodging my point by being offended! (Plus I'm covered 'cause I said "pretty sure")

The problem is that male sexuality is something that can be massively exploited without us even thinking about it while female sexuality is so shameful (or sacred, if "shameful" makes you uneasy) that we're hypersensitive to it. There's a middle path in here somewhere.

Imagine if 300 had an all-female cast of soldiers in similar costumes. Try to get THAT out in mainstream theatres. I would bet that you probably know a woman who saw 300 for the oiled up near-nude men. Fanservice applies to both genders.

I'd like to see more games like Bayonetta just for this reason (although to be fair, I'm still basing my opinion of Bayonetta on Youtubes because I haven't actually bought a game in two years).

[Archbio]

I'm pretty sure everyone would be exactly as offended if Aya had a heart pattern on her underwear and slightly more cartoonish proportions.

No, I don't think that's true at all.

But hey, there's obviously some equivocation going on with the word "cartoonish" there. If by "cartoonish proportions" what is meant is "giant breasts" then it's hardly the equivalent.

Hell, bishoujo type characters get played for laughs all the time, and it still gets called sexist fanservice. Even when they're basically parodying the entire concept of bishoujo.

It's pretty easy to be exploitative while giving the appearance of parodying exploitation. And it's not like playing something for laughs and playing it for exploitation are mutually exclusive.

Edit: Hee, he... Nublet.

[Krylo]

But the cartoonish Ghosts And Goblins guy was cartoonish in a way that exemplified his masculine aspects: cartoonishly huge biceps, chests, etc. And while his face was definitely cartoony, it wasn't ugly, either.

The female equivalent would end up having large, if not huge breasts, and probably be blonde, and kind of doofy looking.

And giving her hearts (or some masculineish symbolism) on her underwear wouldn't fix it.

You'd have to make her cartoonish AND unattractive to play it for laughs without people also taking it as being sexualized, and at that point you're nowhere near what they did with the Ghosts and Goblins dude.

Which, when presented on PS2 was basically PE:3 with a dude.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

And that's all you gotta do to change this game from sexist to sexawesome.


But see, that's my point. Same mechanic, but it's comedic if it's a male and sexist pandering if it's a female. That's the mentality from production to consumption. Male nudity == funny, female nudity == sexy. Hell, even if this was done as sexy male nudity, how much you wanna bet this wouldn't be an issue? And if it were done as comedic female nudity, how much you wanna bet it would still be viewed as sexist pandering?

Because we as a society grew up with the belief that a naked women equals sexy. the only way to pull off a ghost n goblins with a female is to make her ugly, very ugly.

Because just about every story that's tried this with a female has failed to get this result.

Let's face it, it's hard working with a female character as oppose to a male. There's just too many things you just can't do with a female character that you can do with a male.

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

Let's face it, it's hard working with a female character as oppose to a male. There's just too many things you just can't do with a female character that you can do with a male.

That statement is sexist every way you spin it. Every time you argue "You can't do THAT with a woman because it's sexist, you need to have the male character do that" is a sexist arguement. Androcentrism with Gynophobia is probably the better terms to use, aka "This topic revolves around males opinions and women are scary", but only if Gynophobia can be used to mean "Fear of women responding to our actions as sexist". In the same way as your everyday white dude going "Aw shit if I cut this black guy off in traffic, is that racist?" same shit, different channel.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

The problem is that male sexuality is something that can be massively exploited without us even thinking about it while female sexuality is so shameful (or sacred, if "shameful" makes you uneasy) that we're hypersensitive to it. Imagine if 300 had an all-female cast of soldiers in similar costumes. Try to get THAT out in mainstream theatres. I would bet that you probably know a woman who saw 300 for the oiled up near-nude men. Fanservice applies to both genders.

1. I have in fact complained about the idealized male stereotype and how it plagues modern entertainment. That is a thing I've done.

2. Call me back when video games have jiggle physics for a dude's junk, or it bulges out to an absurd, unrealistic degree, complete with panning, zoomed in crotch-shots while the character is talking.

3. I do not, in fact, know a woman who went to 300 to see oiled-up naked dudes.

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by NonCon

3. I do not, in fact, know a woman who went to 300 to see oiled-up naked dudes.

Uh, I do. I know many women who did that. I know women who were removed from the theatre for, uh. Stuff.

Also, Androcentrism covers why 1 happens and 2 doesn't.