[DISCUSS] Gaston is better than the Beast - Page 6

PCD · 12-22-2011, 10:48 PM

Snake I think it's also worth noting that like the Beast had been a dick to Belle for like... what... a day... two....? And yes it was an unbelievably shitty first impression where he did in fact kidnap her and treat her awfully for like those first two days but then when he pushed her too far he just kind of let her leave when she got pissed off so it was a pretty poor version of kidnapping, and then after he saved her life and then went on a clear incline of trying to make up for his shitty attitude the whole rest of the time. So basically I don't think it's fair to compare it to relationships where someone is abusive for long periods of time because he was only for that little bit of time and then was like "oh god damn I really need to get my act together fuck wow sorry umm"

Also I think it's bullshit that all the poor saps who worked for him had to get cursed as well, what is the logic behind that.

Ryong · 12-22-2011, 10:51 PM

The teacup didn't even work for him!

But yeah, it seems like it was a short time, he still had time to get his act together.

Locke cole · 12-22-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Viridis

You are an objectively terrible person and now need to be cursed into a beast form until you correct this.

Basically, she's a girl who doesn't believe in any of that 'waiting around, wishing on stars' nonsense and works two jobs, trying to afford her own restaurant. Then Disney magic bullshit happens anyway.

Disney magic bullshit does, in fact, happen, but she still buys that restaurant with the coffee cans full of money that she earned herself.

Yrcrazypa · 12-23-2011, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregness

To Be a Man is good, but I'm gonna have to disagree about it being the best.

I like listening for the moment where Jim Cummings takes over for Jeremy Irons. If you're well acquainted with both of them, you can tell.

Gregness · 12-23-2011, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Yrcrazypa

I like listening for the moment where Jim Cummings takes over for Jeremy Irons. If you're well acquainted with both of them, you can tell.

phil_ · 12-23-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Are you suggesting that Belle should love Beast

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Originally Posted by phil_

saving someone's life doesn't obligate them to be your slave for life/wife,

Nope.

Grandmaster_Skweeb · 12-23-2011, 11:47 AM

I think one very basic but defining act of Belle is being conveniently overlooked. She values her freedom but is willing to sacrifice it to save her father from imprisonment. Was imprisonment necessary? Probly not. But it conveys that Beast forgot what it meant to be human and he was practically on his death bed anyway. So what should he care about some old man rotting in a cell?

Let us not overlook that Beast pretty much gave up on life. He knew he fucked up and the curse was entirely his own fault, didn't know what to do, and until a young women came around and sacrificed what she cherished most he was practically one foot in the grave as is.

In any case, like PCD said: beast let her go after she put up with enough of the tantrums. But she stuck around because what she saw in beast intrigued her, no small part thanks to the wolves. She gave him a breath of life, so to speak. It was either die forever alone or risk it all to save the last chance at genuinely living again and being of worth to someone besides his own reflection. Yeah she lost her freedom but she got it back almost right away. It was either stick around beast n Co. or go back to a town that thought she was a no good eccentric like her father and openly mocked her about it in song even! That and be nothing more than a trophy 'little wife to gaston, as he put it. Dude'd cheat on her the first night he'd get.

I'd pick sticking it out at beast's too, honestly.

Nique · 12-23-2011, 07:10 PM

There's lots of goofy bad-message stuff in Disney movies, but I always felt like this movie was a little more complicated than 'Belle being in an abusive relationship'. As a whole the movie is thoughtful enough in terms of how appropriate their relationship is, at least for my tastes. But I can see how certain nuances wouldn't get through to kids and the 'I can change' message can be a bad one since it's something that actually abusive people use to keep being abusive.

My problem with 'princess' themed movies is that the girl is either waiting for some rich dude with no discernible personality to save her, putting up with loads of abuse from some male figure or another, or receiving some perspective about how this or that guy who would under normal circumstances not be someone you should deal with is just totally misunderstood.

Like, it is totally great not to judge by outward appearances, or to go for 'commoners' becuase they are virtuous and stuff, but Aladdin is literally a criminal.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 12-23-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique

Like, it is totally great not to judge by outward appearances, or to go for 'commoners' becuase they are virtuous and stuff, but Aladdin is literally a criminal.

Han Solo was a criminal.
Then he became a terrorist.

Nique · 12-23-2011, 07:19 PM

Han was a smuggler for a space-worm mob boss, which isn't much of a distinction, admittedly.

But no one said this type of problem was isolated to Disney films.

12-23-2011, 11:47 AM	#57
Grandmaster_Skweeb Doesn't care anymore Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,429	I think one very basic but defining act of Belle is being conveniently overlooked. She values her freedom but is willing to sacrifice it to save her father from imprisonment. Was imprisonment necessary? Probly not. But it conveys that Beast forgot what it meant to be human and he was practically on his death bed anyway. So what should he care about some old man rotting in a cell? Let us not overlook that Beast pretty much gave up on life. He knew he fucked up and the curse was entirely his own fault, didn't know what to do, and until a young women came around and sacrificed what she cherished most he was practically one foot in the grave as is. In any case, like PCD said: beast let her go after she put up with enough of the tantrums. But she stuck around because what she saw in beast intrigued her, no small part thanks to the wolves. She gave him a breath of life, so to speak. It was either die forever alone or risk it all to save the last chance at genuinely living again and being of worth to someone besides his own reflection. Yeah she lost her freedom but she got it back almost right away. It was either stick around beast n Co. or go back to a town that thought she was a no good eccentric like her father and openly mocked her about it in song even! That and be nothing more than a trophy 'little wife to gaston, as he put it. Dude'd cheat on her the first night he'd get. I'd pick sticking it out at beast's too, honestly. Last edited by Grandmaster_Skweeb; 12-23-2011 at 11:57 AM. Reason: forum hate my tablet.

12-22-2011, 10:51 PM	#52
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	The teacup didn't even work for him! But yeah, it seems like it was a short time, he still had time to get his act together.