GamerGate? Da fuq is a GamerGate? - Page 6

Kim · 10-10-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by K-Re$ha

If it is something that can be linked to I'd like to see where he's been coaching, since that is obviously suspect behavior for an abused person.

Basically Zoe shared a bunch of IRC dumps from the people harassing her and I can't find the one I had in mind (I thought it was in the storify but it wasn't) but he was basically coaching them to keep saying it's not about Zoe because it'd fuck GG over if people believed it was.

It's why a bunch of them basically started going, "Zoe who?" whenever anyone calls them out on their harassment of her, which is gaslighty as fuck.

Aerozord · 10-10-2014, 10:52 AM

Looking over this group am I the only one reminded of PETA? Luring people in with high minded ideals but are ultimately just a group about spreading hate and terrorizing people

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-10-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim

Basically Zoe shared a bunch of IRC dumps from the people harassing her and I can't find the one I had in mind (I thought it was in the storify but it wasn't) but he was basically coaching them to keep saying it's not about Zoe because it'd fuck GG over if people believed it was.

Okay, wait.
Are you saying that he told them "Continue harassing Zoe but also say that it is not about her because that hurts the movement." Or was he saying "Don't harass Zoe because it hurts the movement."?

Like, if a portion of this movement makes the conscious decision that they don't want to involve themselves in the portion that is harassing Zoe because it hurts what they view as their cause, that doesn't seem to be... horrible? I wouldn't want to be associated with that kind of behavior either, exactly because it is morally repugnant.
I'm familiar with a portion of the dumps you're referring to, though his involvement in any of them is news to me that makes it apparent that I haven't seen it all. The portions I saw seemed to mostly be the same kind of actions and conversations that a PR Firm might take. I even specifically recall lines from one of them where they discussed the harassment of Zoe in a pretty negative light because they knew it was A) Wrong and B) Harmful for the public perception of the movement they'd been trying to champion.

Aerozord · 10-10-2014, 11:05 AM

Actually I dont think either of the actual parties involved are guilty of anything. It looks like rather normal messy break-up stuff to me.

Its how other people reacted that makes me want to vomit blood in disgust. Even if both sides are 100% guilty neither deserves this level of abuse.

Marc v4.0 · 10-10-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by K-Re$ha

Okay, wait.
Are you saying that he told them "Continue harassing Zoe but also say that it is not about her because that hurts the movement." Or was he saying "Don't harass Zoe because it hurts the movement."?

The first one. That's also why they came up with #NotYourShield, to use 'minority voices' to shut down other minority voices speaking against them.

Fun Fact: A lot of the original 'Minority' twitter accounts that started #NotYourShield were sockpuppets

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Originally Posted by Aerozord

Actually I dont think either of the actual parties involved are guilty of anything.

He is 100% directly guilty for airing it all to the internet and to a group of active harassers already targeting her, and then guilty or remaining silent and shrugging his shoulders when that increased the magnitude of her harassment n-fold

Red Mage Black · 10-10-2014, 11:51 AM

Feminism is cherry picking the worst of GG.

GG is cherry picking the worst of the whole thing.

There is some advice from everyone's favorite(read:hated) man on youtube: Thunderf00t.
"If you are being sent death threats and rape threats online, do not post it on your tumblr or twitter or any social media. Report it to the FBI."

Adding to that, because as soon as you report it all in public, including that you 'alerted the FBI', they will 'go to ground'.

Sounds like some pretty good advice to me. Not only does it allow you to ignore the trolls, but it also allows you the smug satisfaction of knowing some assholes will get their comeuppance. Less assholes ruining an otherwise good idea for a movement? Sounds like then you can get some actual stuff done.

And Marc? No, not all of them were sockpuppets and I'd like to see your proof they were.

pochercoaster · 10-10-2014, 11:57 AM

My advice is don't send rape and death threats.

Zoe Quinn, Sarkeesian etc. did report their death and rape threats to the police. What does that have to do with anything? What does the victim's response in this situation have anything to do with anything?

Who cares if it's a minority of people who sent them threats? Why aren't you outraged that women are being unjustly subjected to threats of violence?

This is the natural consequence of gaming and tech industries being dominated by men. At best, women and minorities in these industries are subjected to chronic low-grade sexism and discrimination, and at worst, women are continually sent threats of violence so severe that they are forced out of their home. This is not cherry-picking- this what people who are discriminated against live with every day in our current society. It's so pervasive that apparently some people need this explained to them instead of seeing it clearly for what it is- the death rattles of privileged white mens' dominance in a domain that used to be exclusively their's. WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY.

Premmy · 10-10-2014, 12:04 PM

Just putting this out front to be addressed on it's own.
As I've seen it. Gamer Gate Primarily started when Eron Gronji posted his blog about him and Zoe Quinn's relationship. 4chan latched on to it and (Now this is SUPER important) 4CHAN DOESN'T LEGITIMATELY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING they decided to blow it up. They got their psyops Anonymous mojo up, Using tried and true tactics they've used before. Presented it as being about corruption because they know that'd get some people's attention,and played on Latent Nerdrage at "THA EVILSJWS AND THE GHOST OF JACK THOMPSON" coming to take your games or "Censor" them. Some Dick From Firefly named it GamerGate and henceforth it became uber popular. 4chan members then created #notyourshield as a means of deflection of a lot of the undeniable horribleness going on. A lot of dummy accounts were made, some actual real people got pulled in for a variety of different reasons(most of them related to different permutations of what I call "BlerdRage") Zoe Quinn posts things(Chatlogs, Screenshots) Gamer Gate repeatedly claims "False Flags"(The idea that it's a Secret SJW conspiracy and noone's getting attacked accept THEM and that it was always about "Journalistic Integrity") Websites go up, the beast churns. Things get kind of quiet on the surface, but it still churns. Even MORE Obviously dickish conservatives jump in and boost it up due to the inescapable anti-liberal aspects of the movement. Things broil and switch and on and on it goes.

See, now, Here's the most important part of all this. The reason everyone saying Gamer Gate is just kind of universally horrible can say so and generally be right.
Some Shit is Just Obvious.

We all know what "Passive Aggressive" is we all know what "Backhanded Compliments" are, we all know that you don't have to shoot a guy to kill him. Sometimes it's best to just feed him the "right" food and be real nice to him.
Just because you're not being obviously evil doesn't mean you're not doing bad things, explicitly, or implicitly
It's not just the guy holding. The guy next to him who walks away before the trigger is pulled is just as guilty.

Gamer Gate is generally up to some genuinely horrible shit. And Deciding that "The Cause" is more important than the actual harm being done says way more than a thousand 'Well i disagree, but.."s ever will. It says you don't really care about the people hurt. It says Some part of you agrees. Gamer Gate is organized as fuck and all they REALLY had to do, if they weren't, on some level, down with the pain they cause, was direct that organization to stopping it. Loudly shouting down harassers, or(Real Important) Go ahead and split off.

Gaters actively discourage "Splitting" to "Maintain the Power of the Movement" For all the War psyops bullshit the channers spread, this isn't an actual fucking War. It's not The Rebel South or Nazi Germany. Noone's going to fucking DIE off of "Corruption in Games Journalism". You're not being conscripted on threat of imprisonment or death. You can walk away from that steaming pile of shit. You can wait for it to cool off and try again. You can Start a Counter Movement and be better. You can do a whole lot of fucking shit besides throw in with them.

If the Fucking Klan decides to start actively working to fix some minor problem in your local community, something that inconveniences some people you say."Hey, Klu Klux Klan, that's a good idea. We're going to steal it, brazenly, openly, We're going to call ourselves "Klan Robbers" because FUCK YALL! We'll make positive change in the world, both by fixing the problem and by actively screwing you dickheads over. Two birds, ya racist shits!"

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And Marc? No, not all of them were sockpuppets and I'd like to see your proof they were.

"Alot of"=/= "all"

Marc v4.0 · 10-10-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Premmy

"Alot of"=/= "all"

This needs repeating.

So, sorry, I can't prove all of them were sockpuppets because that's not what I said!

Thanks to 4chan's WONDERFUL topic turnover speed, any evidence I could possible have has been completely gobbled up by time and turnover, but of course you already knew that. I'm sure screenshots of it are floating around somewhere but I really have 0 interest in spending my time digging them up for you to promptly ignore them or shift the goalposts around to make me jump through more hoops trying to 'prove' something that you have already very clearly and strongly decided that you aren't going to believe no matter what.

Hope this helps!

shiney · 10-10-2014, 12:26 PM

All I know is, if 4chan is involved, I sure as hell don't want to be.

Far as I can see this whole thing is ostensibly about gender equality in the gaming industry used as a front to do what 4chan always does, harass and intimidate people online because it's fun. And get everyone's briefs in a tizzy because that's also what they do, and then deflect valid criticism through the use of misdirection, aforementioned sock puppets, and general dickbaggery.

All the while perpetuating myths and stereotypes that they claim to be combating, because after all someone's private sex life is definitely germane to the issue.

Is this essentially it?

10-10-2014, 10:52 AM	#52
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	Looking over this group am I the only one reminded of PETA? Luring people in with high minded ideals but are ultimately just a group about spreading hate and terrorizing people __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

10-10-2014, 11:05 AM	#54
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	Actually I dont think either of the actual parties involved are guilty of anything. It looks like rather normal messy break-up stuff to me. Its how other people reacted that makes me want to vomit blood in disgust. Even if both sides are 100% guilty neither deserves this level of abuse. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

10-10-2014, 11:57 AM	#57
pochercoaster rollerpocher tycoon Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,808	My advice is don't send rape and death threats. Zoe Quinn, Sarkeesian etc. did report their death and rape threats to the police. What does that have to do with anything? What does the victim's response in this situation have anything to do with anything? Who cares if it's a minority of people who sent them threats? Why aren't you outraged that women are being unjustly subjected to threats of violence? This is the natural consequence of gaming and tech industries being dominated by men. At best, women and minorities in these industries are subjected to chronic low-grade sexism and discrimination, and at worst, women are continually sent threats of violence so severe that they are forced out of their home. This is not cherry-picking- this what people who are discriminated against live with every day in our current society. It's so pervasive that apparently some people need this explained to them instead of seeing it clearly for what it is- the death rattles of privileged white mens' dominance in a domain that used to be exclusively their's. WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY. Last edited by pochercoaster; 10-10-2014 at 12:05 PM.

10-10-2014, 12:26 PM	#60
shiney Derrrrrrrrrrrrrp. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The land of fartz and buttz Posts: 8,266	All I know is, if 4chan is involved, I sure as hell don't want to be. Far as I can see this whole thing is ostensibly about gender equality in the gaming industry used as a front to do what 4chan always does, harass and intimidate people online because it's fun. And get everyone's briefs in a tizzy because that's also what they do, and then deflect valid criticism through the use of misdirection, aforementioned sock puppets, and general dickbaggery. All the while perpetuating myths and stereotypes that they claim to be combating, because after all someone's private sex life is definitely germane to the issue. Is this essentially it? __________________ boop

10-10-2014, 11:51 AM	#56
Red Mage Black Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Where the Sun isn't so warm. Posts: 2,673	Feminism is cherry picking the worst of GG. GG is cherry picking the worst of the whole thing. There is some advice from everyone's favorite(read:hated) man on youtube: Thunderf00t. "If you are being sent death threats and rape threats online, do not post it on your tumblr or twitter or any social media. Report it to the FBI." Adding to that, because as soon as you report it all in public, including that you 'alerted the FBI', they will 'go to ground'. Sounds like some pretty good advice to me. Not only does it allow you to ignore the trolls, but it also allows you the smug satisfaction of knowing some assholes will get their comeuppance. Less assholes ruining an otherwise good idea for a movement? Sounds like then you can get some actual stuff done. And Marc? No, not all of them were sockpuppets and I'd like to see your proof they were.