Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[Pink Bunny]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

Now see, this is why I'm argueing against the high death rate. The longer a game goes on, the better the odds are that the town wins, because the town roles are the most useful in the long run when we know the most information (via PO's and such). We don't need people who are just gonna go randomly killing people shortening the game.

We don't even know if the POs are alive. We don't really know very much at all. We only have one known utility/source of information, and that's Newb. And the problem with him is his information is abstract, and even he agrees.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

You're right, he can't win. But there's also no reason for him to help the town either. He's more inclined towards killing townies than ever before now that we know who he is and we're trying to abuse him for our benefit and not his.

No, he's more inclined to kill you. I present to you LHN's game, where we had an SK that was actually helping town but town lynched him. Had they kept him alive. Had we kept him alive that game could have ended quite differently. Thankfully this game's design helps support such utility now.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

See!

I did see. That means he's doing a good job for us. I'm very proud.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

which makes me wonder where Russian reversal is in all this cause you seemed so sure of yourself that me and him were in cahoots earlier. Why not lynch him and find out if he is indeed cult? Cause so far, I haven't hurt the town, but I've done my best to help it. And help it I did! (see: Demetrius and his role). How have you helped the town so far? Killed Ugainus only to have him kill the 2 mafiates who voted for him last?

Newb only recently put out the fact that you were arguing with RR at night. This is a new fact and after analyzing it many things fell into place, not only your accusation but most especially Zilla's actions. When it comes down to it, Zilla is more suspicious than you are. Banana's proposal is rather nice.

You didn't really try to help. You persecuted someone for a joke vote and it turns out you were lucky. Congratulations. Now you're just trying to help yourself. If you were really helpful, you would have helped out Ugainus and pointed out what was wrong. Now you're just going to use his death as a scapegoat to make yourself look glamorous.

And I'll say it publicly and acknowledge it: Ugainus death was a great thing. Two scum died from it. No townies died from it. And his role was obviously designed to do what it did, blow people up during the day. I apologize for his role not being wasted and him being just night killed. Oh wait, no, I don't apologize.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

As far as this whole cult thing goes, Only reason you think I'm cult is because of what newb brought up about 2 guys argueing at night and the word shadows. For all you know, that could have been a roleblock, hence the arguing, or it could have signified 2 people of the same mafia discussing who to kill only to come to indecision and not sending in thier kill or a vigilante and an SK who didn't act (all three would explain the guns and argueing. Not saying that any of these are true though.)

No, I don't believe it was a roleblock. I believe it was a failed Cult attempt. If I did not believe it to be a failed cult attempt, I would not accuse you of Cult. I refuse to believe that you roleblocked RR last night, because from what I've gathered from your one-track mind so far you'd have roleblocked Demetrius, who has always been a threat according to you. (Because damn, that joke vote revealed all his secrets!)

If it were any of the other scenarios, you'd probably come clean with some aspect of them to preserve yourself. I think we both know you're going to die before sunrise be it lynch or killing, don't you agree? Unless you already got a pocket bodyguard.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

You already have 4 converts you can't trace. And when we don't know who any of the night killed people are (except for SK) doesn't mean we didn't already kill a Cult Leader (despite its unlikliness).

Yes. There are potentially 4 converts that can't be traced. They may or may not have been random killed. I am sure that RR is a convert. Nayno however is a hunch, but I believe he is a convert as well.

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

Seriously, stop trying to force the town into a position that benefits an unknown sized cult. The faster the death rate, the quicker/easier it is for the cult/mafia to control/manipulate the lynch. Demetrius is our best bet for today. Have a PO investigate me tonight, and if anything comes up, go ahead and kill me, but I doubt you'll have to cause I know I'm not scum. Just like Pink Bunny knows he's not scum. But does saying it prove anything? Nope. Not in the slightest.

No, it best benefits Town, and it best benefits Mafia. You can argue my faction as much as you feel inclined, but it doesn't benefit Cult even a little.

Also, when I mentioned that a PO should investigate me or someone else, in both instances you felt inclined to accuse me of either trying to BG the PO and cult it for my own benefit, or just reveal him for death. Why is it that when you do the same thing, its considered as an honorable, blood-free service you're providing for town?

[P-Sleazy]

Because in my case they need not reveal themselves. EDIT: But I see your point.

Originally Posted by Pink

You didn't really try to help. You persecuted someone for a joke vote and it turns out you were lucky. Congratulations. Now you're just trying to help yourself. If you were really helpful, you would have helped out Ugainus and pointed out what was wrong. Now you're just going to use his death as a scapegoat to make yourself look glamorous.

I already said it was lucky earlier. And yes I am using it to glamorize myself.

Originally Posted by Pink

We don't even know if the POs are alive. We don't really know very much at all. We only have one known utility/source of information, and that's Newb. And the problem with him is his information is abstract, and even he agrees.

Then why the hell do you beleive him? On top of that, when have we even gotten any confirmation on Newbs role too? We haven't killed Ole Dude WTF to confirm that newb was telling the truth. What makes you so certain that Newbs telling the truth about the two people at night. And even if he is, then explain to me why there would be guns involved from both parties at a failed cult initiation when Cult leaders DO NOT KILL? So if what Newb is saying is true, than it only proves I'm not part of the cult because I wouldn't be waving a gun around when converting people into a cult.

EDIT: Newb and Ole Dude are off my "trusted list" and Newb is now on my

FOS: NEWB.

Originally Posted by Pink

No, he's more inclined to kill you. I present to you LHN's game, where we had an SK that was actually helping town but town lynched him. Had they kept him alive. Had we kept him alive that game could have ended quite differently. Thankfully this game's design helps support such utility now.

Yea, the SK woulda won with the cult since the cult would have initiated him the following night if the town was unwilling to kill the SK who was "helping" the town.

And to top it all off, you want to have me killed at night. How will killing me at night prove that I'm a cult leader? I'll just show up as ????, ???? aligned. Same goes for anyone else who gets offed at night. I say we lynch Demetrius, get his role. Find out what the hell Newb's role is to make sure he's telling the truth and go from there. Cause me and you are going in circles right now. I coulda sworn some of these arguements already came up in one fashion or another.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I wanted to lynch RR because of the, you know, being evil, but now I want to lynch B_real just as bad for the same reason.

UNVOTE: RUSSIANREVERSAL
VOTE:B_REAL_SHADOWS

Also, let it be known that if inducted to the cult, I will not cooperate.

[P-Sleazy]

Tough Noogies Roy. You gotta coop if you're in the cult. EDIT: WHICH I'M NOT PART OF!

[Bailey]

I know of some people in the past who, when inducted to the cult, promptly posted a list of all cultists. As I recall, they weren't actually breaking any rules, but all the cultists were mad at them, and then they lost.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Newb

I know of some people in the past who, when inducted to the cult, promptly posted a list of all cultists. As I recall, they weren't actually breaking any rules, but all the cultists were mad at them, and then they lost.

Yeah don't do that. Being inducted is not a choice, you will cooperate.

You don't have to like it but I mean come on don't ruin it for everybody else by not trying your hardest.

This is from a guy who hates cults (and has some second thoughts about putting two in this game) but still come on now, don't try to not play by the game's explicit or implicit rules.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Roy

I wanted to lynch RR because of the, you know, being evil, but now I want to lynch B_real just as bad for the same reason.

You also realize that according to Newb's information, I can't possibly be in the cult because of said guns right? On top of that, he's not even sure himself what his information means. AND we're not even sure if he's telling the truth, something he's known to not do. So Killing me and RR would be a VERY bad mistake on all your parts if you're doing it cause we're in a cult where apperently the cult leader and his initiates can kill because of guns they both have for unknown reasons. Sounds kinda like this now

Hey, awesome!

Now I'm a Cult-Immune, Cult Leading, Mafiate Cop!

Role so bad-ass and ridiculously awesome, it has no concievable color scheme! It's THAT good!

Except replace Cop with killer. Cause guns kill people.

[Ape Boy]

Damn, didn't know I was so quotable!

Self high-five!

Also, Banana's proposal for the Zilla experiment is something I can whole-heartedly get behind. Both sounds like a good idea and because of my general love for bananas.

[Pink Bunny]

Maybe RR scared you away with a gun. Cultists are supposed to be lunatics, and when one lunatic won't leave another lunatic alone, fear would have to get the job done.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Maybe I don't care whether B_real's in the cult, he's evil somehow.