Hatland Mafia

[Aldurin]

Oh right. HEY BOOKWORM! Is Revolving Ocelot actually missing in like he can't post at all or is he totally here and choosing not to post?

[Geminex]

You left this out. I'm not saying those I listed are definitely the only candidates for scum I'm just saying I agree that the idea that RO is scum and knew he had this lynch avoidance power and that he may have gotten his scumbuddy/ies to vote for him knowing he'd be fine, makes sense and that I think that the ones I listed (excepting me of course) are the most likely to be scum.

Oh, I see. That makes sense, then. Kinda, anyway.
First, I think there was something of a legitimate case against RO. Contradictory claims, and a buch of smaller stuff throughout the game. It made sense for non-mafiates to vote for him.

Second, assuming RO is scum... I think RO's lynch avoidance power would be one-shot, at best. You can't give a mafiate any more than that. As such, unless RO's demise was certain, it wouldn't necessarily make sense for other mafiates to vote for him. I mean, yes, they're earning themselves brownie points with the town, but they are also contributing to the lynch. And while RO didn't die, I'm pretty sure he lost his lynch protection. So if he was mafia, his scummates would've weakened their own team. Y'see where I'm going with this?

Mafia might have voted for RO, but it makes just as much sense, if not more (evidence, not weakening their own team) for non-mafiates to vote for him. I don't think we should just focus on that list.

We don't actually know that SK is dead, it might be the Vig was the axeman, and the SK could shoot people. The flavor for this game is all sorts of weird.

Lady with an enormous fruit hat, who hacks people apart with a giant axe? Even with super-weird flavor, that is never a vig. Like, I get that we can't take anything for granted, but I can't imagine any reason for the Vig having that flavor. It's gotta be the SK.

If RO doesn't say anything, we have to be prepared to ask ourselves, do we try lynching him again hoping it works? Or take our chances lynching someone else?

I wanna hear from RO. If that doesn't happen, and we don't get any further information on him, I'm gonna assume he's hanging back and hoping we forget about him. So pretty much what Earl said:

Also, I recommend voting RO later if he doesn't respond before the final 24 hours of the day as long as we don't have any stronger leads. If he is non-scum then he should just show up and clarify our concerns.

If he's innocent, he can come out and talk to us. If he's not talking, I'll vote, in the absence of other leads.

I also think greed is non-scum just because his behavior lacks any of the tells that I noticed last game when he was scum, so I would bet that he's not scum.

Which tells are these, out of curiosity?

[BahamutFlare]

It's all a waiting game right now. I don't like giving RO time to think of an excuse. And more time passing means more time to think of a valid excuse for him. If he was truthful, then a quick response should've come quickly. Correct?

It's been a few days and no one has claimed a town role. I've gotta believe that the rest of us are self-aligned people. We may as well consider self-aligned to be a town structure. Everyone that claimed town lied. Smarty was a SK/Vig. We can't prove RO yet, but he's high on the priority list.

Gem, someone else said it before, but I think we may have two SK's. And at this point, we could call them Vig or SK...depending on how you want to see things. Unless someone else claims town and IS town, there's no way for us to think that a town exists. We have a group of self-aligned people, and there's a good chance we all win if all other non-self-aligned are dead.

I'll be voting RO as long as nothing else happens.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

Oh right. HEY BOOKWORM! Is Revolving Ocelot actually missing in like he can't post at all or is he totally here and choosing not to post?

Yes.

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Which tells are these, out of curiosity?

That's the problem with it, I go by this very questionable gut instinct analysis of general behavior which you know all too well isn't reliable to a certain degree. It's like what almost made me auto-lynch him last game doesn't seem to show up to me this game. I think generally I just go by how much people contribute when they post and how often they post.

[Ravashak]

I think it'd be a mistake to lynch RO again. While it is possible that he only had a single extra life / lynch evasion, we can be pretty sure there's more scum in the game (3 just seems too few, I personally think 5 mafiates total). Why would we use our lynch on this while we should try to get the other mafiates? Especially considering that RO might simply be completely lynchproof (or until certain other criteria are met).

Then there's also still the option (though I consider this a bit less likely) that RO is what he said he was, a miller (self-aligned instead of town, though, i still doubt Town exists), whose "tricksy" special is an immunity (either one or unlimited times) to lynches. This would make voting RO this day an incredibly safe choice for the Mafia, they'd be able to vote for him relatively safely, while preventing any of them from being lynched.

Anyways, whether RO is scum (don) or not, I feel it's a mistake to vote for him now, and in order to hopefully get some more discussion, I'm going to vote for the one that showed the strongest intent on voting RO at this point in time.

Vote: BahamutFlare

Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm

Yes.

<3

[rpgdemon]

I actually agree with everything that you said. I've suspected Bahamut for awhile as well (I voiced my concerns earlier), and the fact that he wants us to potentially throw away a lynch is just weird.

Like, with no clarification, we have no reason to think that we can lynch RO, and going, "I'm not gonna vote yet, but I will vote for him as soon as he doesn't post" is just kind of odd. I get not wanting to rush the day over, but at the same time, saying that if RO doesn't post means that he's still here and we should hit him is just poor logic. It's a 50/50 shot that it's a bust if we go for him.

[BahamutFlare]

If we get nothing by the final day, I'd feel inclined to vote RO. I've been saying I wanted to wait. I didn't vote him yesterday because I feel we were too hasty. By no way am I going to make a hasty decisions when there's 2 more mafiates. I'd rather figure out who those two are.

Aldurin seems just as inclined to vote RO if you really want to use that as a reason. That's just awful reasoning.

My gut is still telling me RPG is scum. That's my first reaction.
Karesh is second on my list. Karesh is a hunch tbh.
If RO doesn't say anything, I think he rises to the occasion as #1. But whether we lynch or hope that the Vig/SK targets him at night is what I'm not sure of. If he is town, he should be able to explain. If he isn't, then he'll probably stay silent. There's multiple scenarios that could happen. I'm thinking of the best one which is why I won't vote until the final day. Now is this fair to think about and ponder out loud? If this is scummy, then by all means, everyone vote me. Let's be hasty and get it over with.

Vote: BahamutFlare

Yes, I will probably be a tad more angry the rest of the game for everyone that voted RO on D3.

My claim is self-aligned btw. Decide to find out now or at a later time.

[BahamutFlare]

Well, I guess rules state we can't vote for ourselves. Even to prove a point.

Unvote: BahamutFlare
FoS: Everyone that voted for RO except for the dead ones and the first couple of votes.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Ravashak

Then there's also still the option (though I consider this a bit less likely) that RO is what he said he was, a miller (self-aligned instead of town, though, i still doubt Town exists), whose "tricksy" special is an immunity (either one or unlimited times) to lynches. This would make voting RO this day an incredibly safe choice for the Mafia, they'd be able to vote for him relatively safely, while preventing any of them from being lynched.

I don't find this very likely. There's no such thing as a Self aligned miller. Millers are townies that turn up as scum, so if you're already scum you can't turn up as scum and call it a power.
Further the flavor makes no mention of aid in the escape, so I don't believe it was anything but his own power that caused it to happen. The Double stacking of powers doesn't make sense.