Valve Mafia - "You are all incompetent cowards!"

[Inbred Chocobo]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Unvote:Revolving Ocelot

Vote:Fenris

That dude is always fucking mafia. ALWAYS. I swear to god it's the rule of NPF mafia that fenris has to be mafia.

Originally Posted by Sifright

I am 100% totally serious with my vote on fenris.

Originally Posted by Sifright

There is little difference between me spinning a wheel and voting some one randomly like most have done so far in this thread and my vote which currently resides on Fenris.

This is what I cannot stand, because while you state there is little difference, the problem is that there is a very particular difference, one that actually matters.

Past roles have no bearing to a mafia game. None, whatsoever. To consider it to even have a remote chance, to even suggest that it would even fly in such a minor degree is a horrible thing to do. If it was a joke vote, fine, but the fact that you are acting like that, and 100% serious about it is what has me angry.

Time and time again, people have referenced trends like this, and time and time again they have been proven false. Fenris has the same chance of playing 6 previous games scum and this game being town as he has much chance of playing 6 previous games scum and this game being scum as well, nothing more than that. Do not consider past roles part of your plan, in any way shape or form, do not consider trends in any way shape or form to voting and do not use "Well he acted this way that game he was scum so he must be the same way" argument, else you are wanting to push this game into scum hands so pathetically easy that I would have no choice but to believe it.

[BahamutFlare]

Originally Posted by Ryong

Okay, to make myself clear because apparently it wasn't before:

Whatever your allegiance is, I believe you'll be a key player. I may be giving you too much credit, but from what I've seen in other games, when you're scum you manage to dodge getting called out as such very well and when you're town you find scum with no apparent trouble.

So unless you act really suspicious, there's way too much risk to vote for you.

Mind you, this is, what, my first real mafia game I think? So I can be completely wrong y'know.

Ahh see but there was no whatever the allegiance before. If you're red, then you're always going to be 100% wrong with your accusations.

IC: I'm surprised you actually decided to side against metagaming. I thought you were all for that.

The way I see it, town is going to be not so intelligent D1 offesnively. No doubts about that. For being dumb, Sifright got a decent amount of votes on him. We don't have any real info, so he's going on a hunch. After getting responses, he is still going on said hunches. Honestly, in his case, are there better leads to go off of? No. So what would you have him do? I only think 1 scum is voting him right now though.

Unvote: Ryong
Vote: IC

[BahamutFlare]

Then IC ninja'd me and I know what he's against.

Unvote: IC
Vote: Ryong

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Sifright

You two are mafia players trying to look good. Townies are hiding out.

Yeah, that's totally what's going on. I'm sure the ENTIRE town is hiding, because that's how you win mafia, right? You don't participate? That's what's going on. That seems way more likely than the fact that you're being super scummy, and the only people who advocate "no information day 1 don't worry guys fuck it" are scum, because they're the only people it helps.

Like, even your hypotheticals to explain how the game is going are totally scummy, and the town is being horribly stupid. There's no reason for the town to act like you're saying they are. Inactives are sometimes a day 1 lynch. But most of all, TOWN DOES NOT HIDE. If you have a power role, you keep that secret, but hiding draws attention to yourself. Town is not hiding from anyone. SCUM hide, and they're the ones who use inactivity to hide.

I can only assume you've got some scummates who are inactive right now, who you're trying to cover for. My vote stands.

[Ecks]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Yeah, that's totally what's going on. I'm sure the ENTIRE town is hiding, because that's how you win mafia, right? You don't participate? That's what's going on. That seems way more likely than the fact that you're being super scummy, and the only people who advocate "no information day 1 don't worry guys fuck it" are scum, because they're the only people it helps.

Actually, I think you guys are really hurting your own argument. You're jumping down a guy's throat for doing exactly what you claim town should be doing: generating discussion and being an active player. Town IS hiding. None of us want to poke our necks in to get a word in edgeways while you and IC are slinging around vitriol.

"Hey guys maybe sif has a point-"

"FUCK YOU YOU'RE NEXT FOR THE NOOSE!"

You're scaring people off of participating in discussion. I voted for Fenris too, and while it was a jokevote, it's still Sif who's getting his ass chewed off extra hard. Either you guys are genuinely pissed about metavoting, or you're trying super hard to put the yoke on Sif to get town to waste a lynch.

Like, even your hypotheticals to explain how the game is going are totally scummy, and the town is being horribly stupid. There's no reason for the town to act like you're saying they are. Inactives are sometimes a day 1 lynch. But most of all, TOWN DOES NOT HIDE. If you have a power role, you keep that secret, but hiding draws attention to yourself. Town is not hiding from anyone. SCUM hide, and they're the ones who use inactivity to hide.

Actually at this point I'd say posting is drawing more attention to ourselves than anything. Sif picked a guy, gave some reasoning (bullshit or not), and is sticking with it until he finds a better option. What the hell else are we supposed to do day 1? Random vote and hope for a bandwagon? I have to work with what we have, and we have basically fuck all other than a couple of rabid dogs and a very stupid kid (no offense sif).

I don't agree with the massive assholery here. Between you and IC, you've pretty much painted Sif as scum and you're trying really hard to get everyone else to come around to that line of thinking. I still think Sif's just being dumb here. So are you two, just not in the same way.

Vote: rpgdemon
FoS: IC

[rpgdemon]

I legitimately hate it when people use "super-meta guys" as a reason for why they're voting, so yes, there is that. Especially when he makes almost the exact same post as he did last game.

Originally Posted by Sifright

whoa didn't realise this was actually up.


Vote:Fenris

He's been in the bad guy faction every single game.


Edit: Like, thats meta as fuck but ittttss trueeee

It's obnoxious and even if it's not scummy, I'm going to vote against it. He wasn't scum last game.

I'm also calling him more scum as he ups his calls, because he pretty much said, "You voted for me YOU ARE ALL SCUM."

[rpgdemon]

Like, "You voted for me, so you are all scum" is something even scarier to town, because it means, "Oh, shit, better not talk against this guy, because he'll convince everyone I'm scum!", which means the town is cowwed into not asking questions and probing people for the truth, and it makes a ridiculously easy scum win.

So, the more he pushes that angle, the more convinced I am he's scum. Or, he's just really bad at Mafia. Every game, I've gotten scum vibes from him.

[Ecks]

Wait, what? Fenris WAS scum last game.

Even so, I still think he's being stupid and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If he wants to metagame on day one that is his prerogative (though admittedly not a strategy I'd seriously use). My irritation is the implied hostility towards others who may or may not have theories or random votes to put out in lieu of actual information.

More posts mean more clues. And we're closing in on the final 24 hours with practically dick to show for it. My vote stand until something better comes along or I am convinced Sif is totes red team.

[rpgdemon]

Sorry, "he" was Sifright, not Fenris. Sif wasn't scum last game, in his defense of his metagaming, but I really hate the idea of it.

[Ecks]

totally irrelevant and off topic nonsenseSif, Fenris, Vauron, and myself were the scumteam last game, rpg.

Anyway, it's not actually that hard to see you and IC as scum, from a hyper defensive point of view, anyway. You're both attacking him on the "meta is stupid" argument, and when you start getting accused you start getting paranoid and connections are made in your head that an otherwise rational person might not make.

Enough babbling and amateur psychology from me anyway, I want to see some more posts so I can go back to analyzing the thread and scrutinizing the fuck out of it.

EDIT: Also, as a friendly tip to some players, it might be a good idea to go invisible on the forums while the game is running. One look at your user profile will tell anyone who looks what you're doing and who's pms you're reading. I received one such warning myself last game.