Students Dislike Uniforms, Respond By Burning Them

[Squall Leonhart]

I was in a military school for what you guys in the US know as "Jr. High". As you might imagine, discipline was a fundamental factor. And as such, not one, but a set of uniforms were required to accommodate to certain situations. In total, I had five different uniforms. I had to wash them, clean the metal emblems, clean my shoes, get the cap ready depending on the situation (it had a motif on the front that could be removed), gloves, boots and a whole lot of stuff.

While I'm certainly not a better person because I was successfully able to get a uniform ready every single day, Monday to Friday, and stay clean since seven in the morning to six in the afternoon, it does help you administer time. The requirements were needed to maintain certain order. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's a way to motivate a student to have a discipline in what they do, an agenda, some sort of order, because there can be consequences, and I'm not talking about getting a sanction from the commanders. Rather, being late someplace because you were unable to get ready on time, or didn't manage your time correctly.

No, having a uniform alone isn't going to that much for you. It's the motivation behind having a uniform; a complement to something that will help you as a whole.

This could rather seem like I'm "one of those fascist bastards", too. I say it's just "on of those culture shock moments". Formation.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

I don't know what to say, except I didn't know Mexico, the United Kingdom, Spain and other countries in this side of the Greenwich meridian were closet fascist regimes.

From what I gather by reading this thread, It think these issues have much more to do with the cultural bias and history of each nation. The United States was created mainly on the basis of self-governance and freedom of speech came very early in its life cycle. However, in other places where that kind of authority isn't as engrained into the populace mindset yet still respects freedom of speech, this is seen as a way to develop respect and order. A bit like wondering why Muslim women dress the way they do and not understanding that such case isn't a threat on feminine rights.

I don't know, I thought this was kind of an interesting experiment in multicultural diversity.

What the U.K. has a uniforms in every single school? I think not. Said school administrations were probably fascist regimes.

And I can think of little else that is a greater threat to feminine rights than the forced wearing of burkas, except probably more serious things such as genital mutilation. I suppose what you're trying to argue is that forcing women to hide from public sight as much as possible and when seen to be covered head to foot in a loose-fitting garment that even covers their faces in some countries HAS NOTHING TO DO with making them second-class citizens and controlling every aspect of their lives. Which is bullshit; it is one of the greatest tools that are used to make them inferior to men.

[Regulus Tera]

Originally Posted by Magus

What the U.K. has a uniforms in every single school? I think not. Said school administrations were probably fascist regimes.

Then what about those other countries I mentioned, where public school uniforms are obligatory? Are those also the results of fascist regimes, especially those in private schools which seem to encourage the students more to succeed in the free market well above the average?

Originally Posted by Magus

And I can think of little else that is a greater threat to feminine rights than the forced wearing of burkas, except probably more serious things such as genital mutilation. I suppose what you're trying to argue is that forcing women to hide from public sight as much as possible and when seen to be covered head to foot in a loose-fitting garment that even covers their faces in some countries HAS NOTHING TO DO with making them second-class citizens and controlling every aspect of their lives. Which is bullshit; it is one of the greatest tools that are used to make them inferior to men.

Hence why so many muslim women outside of the Middle East choose to wear the same types of clothes? I've met many muslim women here, in the United States, who wear burkas (thanks for the pointer) because that's what they believe on. Whether the tradition started because of mysoginistic practices doesn't matter to them at all, since it is something they've learned to love and respect.

The point I was trying to make was already defined much better by BlackHBMage: that the standards of what you may deem as a violation of individual rights vary from region to region according to its history. That's the reason why you never hear about Latin American students burning uniforms or trying to appeal to their country's constitution because somebody said your skirt has to be at a certain length.

[Krylo]

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