Goodmorning chrono! Or Happy whatever Fifth

[Fifthfiend]

Dear Ryong,

I'm sorry we don't all like shitty Chrono Cross the way you do.

Truly, deeply sorry.

Now please just let it go.

<3,

Fifthie

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by CelesJessa

I never really noticed the difference, but I was about 10 when I first played. I just attributed it to being the same reason Cyan was the only person to talk like that in FF6. My childhood mind worked like "if they are chivalrous, they speak with old english." XD

Well, it was also a more apt translation for Cyan, whose japanese dialogue was written to include the use of a more archaic diction typically associated with historical samurai in modern fiction. Thus, the easiest way to convey this aspect of his character in the English language versions was to go all Shakespearean.

With Frog, not so much. They really did just throw in the middle english diction half-assedly with no concern for consistency, to the point where I wondered if talking like that was part of Magus' curse.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

it was also a more apt translation for Cyan, whose japanese dialogue was written to include the use of a more archaic diction typically associated with historical samurai in modern fiction.

Everything was better in the Japanese version.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Everything was better in the Japanese version.

Hey, I'm just telling you why he spoke that way and how it related to the evolution of the character in the creators' minds. It actually makes sense for Cyan to speak in thous and thees. It's a part of his character, it's done in a consistent manner, and it isn't distracting. The same can't be said for Frog, in my opinion.

[Ryong]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Dear Ryong,

I'm sorry we don't all like shitty Chrono Cross the way you do.

Truly, deeply sorry.

Now please just let it go.

<3,

Fifthie

...Fifth, where the heck did that come from? Explain yourself. Seriously.

I'm complaining at people complaining how a remake of a game they love is being made and then they complain that it has different dialogue because the version they first got had a bunch of things changed.

It's the game a lot of people have been asking for. With the characters you all loved to such a great extent that when they died in the sequel, it was bitched at endlessy and proclaimed one of the worst games ever made, but not only for that. So now it's back to what was wanted, but a character talks differently and therefore it's terrible.

I'm saying goodbye to this thread because, seriously, I know Fifth behaves like a douche a lot, but I - heck, no one had even mentioned Chrono Cross up to this point and you just went out of your way to make a funny comment on a game that I honestly like and that everyone else honestly hates.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Hey, I'm just telling you why he spoke that way and how it related to the evolution of the character in the creators' minds. It actually makes sense for Cyan to speak in thous and thees. It's a part of his character, it's done in a consistent manner, and it isn't distracting. The same can't be said for Frog, in my opinion.

It helps if you consider the whole game to be a feverish nightmarish dream of Lavos with Frog as the heroic saviour stereotype.

It didn't make a lot of sense but that didn't matter because it only served to single out frog more as an awesome fellow.

[Lord Setheris]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Well, it was also a more apt translation for Cyan, whose japanese dialogue was written to include the use of a more archaic diction typically associated with historical samurai in modern fiction. Thus, the easiest way to convey this aspect of his character in the English language versions was to go all Shakespearean.

With Frog, not so much. They really did just throw in the middle english diction half-assedly with no concern for consistency, to the point where I wondered if talking like that was part of Magus' curse.

I actually like that interpretation.

You see, by turning Glenn into a frog, Glenn suffered severe tongue deformity which affected his speech. It all makes perfect sense.

[Jagos]

And Robo TALKED more like THIS, rather THAN just with RANDOM letters being capatalized. But not really, since Katakana =/ Capitalization. It carries a completely different meaning for them which is probably why it's good that they didn't do this in the English translation (I'm pretty sure you COULDN't replicate Robo's speech into english perfectly, just because of the nature of the two languages). They changed it to fit our culture, much like Frog's "thou"s and "thee"s.

Just an aside...

Maybe the Woolsey translations left with him and they had to reinvent the ones from "back in the day"

And really... Frog is the ONLY one in the 600 ad era to talk like that. Either make everyone in that era talk similar and make it seem like the middle ages, or make him speak common tongue or give an explanation for the Thous regarding his tongue on a magical quest to save the kingdom from poison water. Either way, if it doesn't fit, call it a day and say it quits.

[Kim]

I love how seriously Ryong took Fifth. I giggled.

Looking at some of the points people have made about Chrono Trigger, I can definitely see the other side of changing the voices. I haven't played it for a while. Personally, though, I just feel that the whole Thee Thou Thy thing that Frog had going for him worked really well, and I just haven't heard any good reason for changing it other than "more accurate." If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with him talking that way, so although I did exaggerate my "nerd rage" a bit, I prefer the Middle English speak for Frog.

And now I just realized I just spent an entire paragraph saying the same damn thing over and over and over again, all about a game I'm going to play regardless. I feel silly.

But I stand by my stance.

[Jagos]

How about this...

What's in the new dungeon?