Pokemon Umbral Discussion 30: Less and Less About Pokemon Each Day - Page 7

Menarker · 06-19-2010, 09:17 AM

EXCUSE ME! I don't cheat. I work the system, but it's all legit stuff, and if it would be homebrew, I ask AB and get it approved before I put it in action.

If you want cheating, talk to Drac and how he wanted to hide Lexhur's true rage total from AB. And several other times when I pointed out a detail, only for him to say "Shusssh, AB doesn't need to know that, you fool!"

And yes, the pokebrid example was what I brought up, but you elaborated in more detail. We're on the same page, although with different perspectives. :3

I imagine AB will come up with something to deal with it once dual-classing becomes available and not a moment sooner. He doesn't need the headache now. :3

Also? It didn't stop Charlotte from shooting Moon. You just gotta want trouble bad enough. =P

Geminex · 06-19-2010, 09:22 AM

Oh come on. Two words: Mollesk's stats. Min-maxed as all hell. And yes, I do regard min-maxing as cheating.

I don't take Drac seriously when he does that sort of stuff, mostly because nothing he attempts works out, ever.

And... so does that mean you agree with me on that matter? That trainers/combat classes getting protected by the mere existence of their pokemon is a bad idea? If so, wow. I was thinking this was gonna be another long slog.

Menarker · 06-19-2010, 09:29 AM

Oh please. Shuckles stats were mostly like that to start with. Its dump stats were super low and its good stats super high. I made its other defensive stat (HP) super high (although not the highest) and one attack stat average compared to other high level attackers. Defense is useful, but it doesn't win battles by itself. There is no timer like in Street Fighter where you can block block dodge, one hit on foe, block, dodge dodge, block, Timer, WIN.

I don't think it's a bad idea, but I certainly understand and won't likely won't object to AB coming up with some way to regulate it, which I figured he would once it gets to the point where it would matter.

Geminex · 06-19-2010, 09:33 AM

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I don't think it's a bad idea, but I certainly understand and won't likely won't object to AB coming up with some way to regulate it, which I figured he would once it gets to the point where it would matter.

Considering that we're using both, Legion Mages and Battle Masters, my estimation is that it started mattering two missions ago. So I can haz regulation plz?

And I'd discuss Mollesk further, but I'm tired. Bye, all.

Dracorion · 06-19-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Menarker

Defense is useful, but it doesn't win battles by itself.

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Anyway. On Legion Mages and Battle Masters:

First things first: can I ask why you didn't bring this up two missions ago, Gem? Surely one such as smart as you could see the implications at the time.

Your regulation idea would work, sure, but I kinda figured since invincibility applies to both enemies and allies it balances itself out. I mean, sure, battles could potentially drag on longer because we can't kill enemy Battle Masters and Legion Mages right away. But if a battle seems like it'll be over quickly AB just adds some enemy reinforcements and if it seems like it's dragging on forever he does something like have Kirie show up, go Super Saiyan and one-hit KO a boss. So what you're proposing wouldn't be a necessary change.

Of course, if you're butthurt because you're never going to have invincibility and the rest of us will, well, sucks to be you. Try to come up with a nicer character next time!

Alternatively, you could have Impact visibly carry pokemon around but refuse to use them. That way, you can still be the purist while having invincibility.

And anyway, remember the battle with Pokegeddon just now? We put Regina to sleep. We could incapacitate trainers like that (sleep, freeze, flinch, removing them from battle) instead of actually knocking them out and then we don't have to worry about the pokemon going rogue.

Sure, it's situational you'll say, but when are we ever not going to be in a capacity to put an enemy to sleep or flinch them? We have Matthias, and Menarker's whole Air Slash combo thing with Togekiss and Shaymin. And if Bard gives Revenard an all-freeze move (psst, Bard, you should do this), we can cover ice too. Otherwise, there's always Garus.

The only enemies we're ever going to face that will be immune to freeze and sleep and flinching and being removed from battle are bosses, and those usually stay alive long enough that we can take out most of their pokemon at which point going rogue doesn't really matter anymore.

Astral Harmony · 06-19-2010, 01:01 PM

I'm starting to hate Gem. Everytime he speaks of balance, I just wanna go and call him a whaaaaaambulance. Is he really going to be a challenging villainn the sequel?

I'll come up with a regulation when I feel it's needed. Hell, maybe I'll have one thought up during duty today.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go get ready for duty by playing Split/Second. Giggity.

Dracorion · 06-19-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

I'm starting to hate Gem. Everytime he speaks of balance, I just wanna go and call him a whaaaaaambulance. Is he really going to be a challenging villain in the sequel?

Ha!

Balls no. He'll be that one annoying recurring boss. At worst, he'll be a minor nuisance that dies two missions in.

I'm sure he'll say something threatening in response to this, of course. But really, if he knew how to conquer the world then he would be out there doing it instead of writing posts about it.

Astral Harmony · 06-19-2010, 01:45 PM

He won't type anything threatening. He'll just sic his Official Insulter on us.

Charlotte: *clears throat* "Boy, did you eat a big heaping bowl of stupid for breakfast?"

I haven't seen a more effective means of destroying foes since Composite Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris.

Anyways, I'm off to work. If you don't hear from me in a month, send Link.

Dracorion · 06-19-2010, 02:22 PM

If by "send Link" you mean "usurp control of the RP", sure.

Bard The 5th LW · 06-19-2010, 04:12 PM

Why would the pokemon help their masters you ask Gem? The people whom they consider their masters and friends? Who take care of them? Who are hurt? I wonder why? Even if they weren't friends with there trainer, they'd probably have some reason. Doesn't matter if the trainer could fight or not. Here is how it would go if Charlotte's pokemon went rogue.

Buck: He'd stay and fight. Good dog, best friend!
Sol-leks: He'd stay and fight, mostly becasue he just wants to fight. Charlotte may have lost, but Hell if he will.
Pike: Who cares about Pike? No one. He'd most likely just conform with Sol-leks and Buck. Anyways, he was pretty well tamed by the guy who owned him previously, so loyalty was just instilled from day one.
Hammond: He has no idea what's going on. He'd likely lash out in confusion and break stuff. Best just stay away.
Spitz: Actually, if he saw a good opening, he'd likely run. Freedom at last. Who knows, Sol-leks or Buck may hold him back and make him fight.

06-19-2010, 09:17 AM	#61
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	EXCUSE ME! I don't cheat. I work the system, but it's all legit stuff, and if it would be homebrew, I ask AB and get it approved before I put it in action. If you want cheating, talk to Drac and how he wanted to hide Lexhur's true rage total from AB. And several other times when I pointed out a detail, only for him to say "Shusssh, AB doesn't need to know that, you fool!" And yes, the pokebrid example was what I brought up, but you elaborated in more detail. We're on the same page, although with different perspectives. :3 I imagine AB will come up with something to deal with it once dual-classing becomes available and not a moment sooner. He doesn't need the headache now. :3 Also? It didn't stop Charlotte from shooting Moon. You just gotta want trouble bad enough. =P __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 06-21-2010 at 11:47 AM. Reason: editted mistake

06-19-2010, 09:29 AM	#63
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Oh please. Shuckles stats were mostly like that to start with. Its dump stats were super low and its good stats super high. I made its other defensive stat (HP) super high (although not the highest) and one attack stat average compared to other high level attackers. Defense is useful, but it doesn't win battles by itself. There is no timer like in Street Fighter where you can block block dodge, one hit on foe, block, dodge dodge, block, Timer, WIN. I don't think it's a bad idea, but I certainly understand and won't likely won't object to AB coming up with some way to regulate it, which I figured he would once it gets to the point where it would matter. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 06-19-2010 at 09:32 AM.

06-19-2010, 01:45 PM	#68
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	He won't type anything threatening. He'll just sic his Official Insulter on us. Charlotte: clears throat "Boy, did you eat a big heaping bowl of stupid for breakfast?" I haven't seen a more effective means of destroying foes since Composite Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris. Anyways, I'm off to work. If you don't hear from me in a month, send Link. Last edited by Astral Harmony; 06-19-2010 at 02:08 PM.

06-19-2010, 02:22 PM	#69
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	If by "send Link" you mean "usurp control of the RP", sure. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

06-19-2010, 04:12 PM	#70
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Why would the pokemon help their masters you ask Gem? The people whom they consider their masters and friends? Who take care of them? Who are hurt? I wonder why? Even if they weren't friends with there trainer, they'd probably have some reason. Doesn't matter if the trainer could fight or not. Here is how it would go if Charlotte's pokemon went rogue. Buck: He'd stay and fight. Good dog, best friend! Sol-leks: He'd stay and fight, mostly becasue he just wants to fight. Charlotte may have lost, but Hell if he will. Pike: Who cares about Pike? No one. He'd most likely just conform with Sol-leks and Buck. Anyways, he was pretty well tamed by the guy who owned him previously, so loyalty was just instilled from day one. Hammond: He has no idea what's going on. He'd likely lash out in confusion and break stuff. Best just stay away. Spitz: Actually, if he saw a good opening, he'd likely run. Freedom at last. Who knows, Sol-leks or Buck may hold him back and make him fight.

06-19-2010, 09:22 AM	#62
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Oh come on. Two words: Mollesk's stats. Min-maxed as all hell. And yes, I do regard min-maxing as cheating. I don't take Drac seriously when he does that sort of stuff, mostly because nothing he attempts works out, ever. And... so does that mean you agree with me on that matter? That trainers/combat classes getting protected by the mere existence of their pokemon is a bad idea? If so, wow. I was thinking this was gonna be another long slog.

06-19-2010, 01:01 PM	#66
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	I'm starting to hate Gem. Everytime he speaks of balance, I just wanna go and call him a whaaaaaambulance. Is he really going to be a challenging villainn the sequel? I'll come up with a regulation when I feel it's needed. Hell, maybe I'll have one thought up during duty today. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go get ready for duty by playing Split/Second. Giggity.