Pokemon Umbral Theatre 1: Where All the Lurkers...Ah...Lurk

[Astral Harmony]

Pokebrid actions seem pretty cool... But Slayer actions? I was hoping for some more accessories. Y'know, every time Trainers get a knew action, Slayers get a new accessory. Plus, y'know, an extra slot at second level, to let them carry three.
Would that work for everyone?

Why didn't you suggest that in the first place?

Let's do this, then. Slayers can hold a third accessory at Slayer level 4 and a fourth at Overblade level 3. Then I'll create a whole bunch of accessories.

And if you prefer to make custom accessories, then I'd better see some suggestions or you won't get what you want, as usual. And then I'll have to hear you complain about it, as usual. And then Dracorian gets to laugh his ass off at you, as usual.

AB: A question. If I recall correctly, you said that people don't gain rage if they cast something that uses rage, right? Does that also apply to Pokebrids who are attacking while under the influence of Pokeshift? Or do they still have the ability to gain rage under that state? (Would be better if it was the latter.)

No Rage is gained from using attacks that require Rage, and this includes any attack while in Paradigm Shift.

Additionally, much to everyone's chagrin, I'm going to be nerfing the Medics right after Mission 3. From now on, they're only going to have certain items, and Rage Rockets, which is pretty much all you have the Medic around for anyways, will most definitely not be one of them.

There will be no compromise, there will be no "we promise not to make her use Rage Rockets all the time anymore" or "maybe if she can only use one Rage Rocket per turn" bullshit. I'm going to nerf those Medics, period. The logic I'm going to use in-game is that it's costing entirely too much money to maintain an infinite supply of high quality items like, you guessed it, Rage Rockets, Max Revives, Full Heals and Full Restores, including items with similar functions. You can carry all that crap but I'm cutting the Medic off of it.

Pokemon Umbral...a worse case of Medic abuse has never existed.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Why didn't you suggest that in the first place?

I promised I wouldn't do this...

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Let's do this, then. Slayers can hold a third accessory at Slayer level 4 and a fourth at Overblade level 3. Then I'll create a whole bunch of accessories.

And if you prefer to make custom accessories, then I'd better see some suggestions or you won't get what you want, as usual. And then I'll have to hear you complain about it, as usual. And then Dracorian gets to laugh his ass off at you, as usual.

Sounds about right.

Although, I must note my displeasure at Menarker getting a fourth accessory. Maybe make it available at Overblade 4?

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Additionally, much to everyone's chagrin, I'm going to be nerfing the Medics right after Mission 3. From now on, they're only going to have certain items, and Rage Rockets, which is pretty much all you have the Medic around for anyways, will most definitely not be one of them.

There will be no compromise, there will be no "we promise not to make her use Rage Rockets all the time anymore" or "maybe if she can only use one Rage Rocket per turn" bullshit. I'm going to nerf those Medics, period. The logic I'm going to use in-game is that it's costing entirely too much money to maintain an infinite supply of high quality items like, you guessed it, Rage Rockets, Max Revives, Full Heals and Full Restores, including items with similar functions. You can carry all that crap but I'm cutting the Medic off of it.

Eh, sure, what the hell. We'll probably still only be using them for heals anyway.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Pokemon Umbral...a worse case of Medic abuse has never existed.

Okay, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I know there's something out there.

Anyone wanna help me out here?

Originally Posted by Menarker

I'd expect that more from Pierce... for different reasons entirely.

OK...
*Whizzz on Moera*
That's for being a psycho bitch who pisses everyone off and won't stay dead!
*Pisses on Discord*
THAT is for being a self-obssessed, fouled mouth, team-griefing cunt! Oh, and I'm NEVER giving back Dialaga! *Laughs all the while as he looks side to side with a mischievious grin*
Anyone else want to mess around with PATCA? I got a really tiny bladder and still got tons more!

... You know... you can go to the washroom without requiring a victim...

You do realize that out of all the characters, Renny and Dormond are the ones most likely to suffer from incontinence, because of their age?

Not to mention Renny being a giant pussy.

More importantly, it seems like a waste if it's not hurting anyone.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

No Rage is gained from using attacks that require Rage, and this includes any attack while in Paradigm Shift.

What about if the person under Paradigm shift would normally gain rage from other sources?

IE: If Renny Paradigm Shifted and his pokemons attacked and got hurt as normal. Are you saying that being shifted would exclude him from every aspect of gaining rage?

It seems curious that one of the class features of a rage heavy class would be to cut itself off from the supply of rage it needs to keep up with other classes...

This is just my thought, but I'd move for removing that particular restriction, because if Impact's suggestion is followed and we keep Paradigm Shift as is, I think locking out a player out of rage for 3 turns is rather unfair.


Also, you say that Medic won't have Full Restore, Rage Rockets and that sort of thing. Could you give a list of stuff that they WOULD have? And are those particular items in infinite supply or will they be limited like during the first mission?

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Although, I must note my displeasure at Menarker getting a fourth accessory. Maybe make it available at Overblade 4?

Hey, you got a legitmate reason why you're directing that particular suggestion? Cause it sounds an awful like player-specific griefing to me. Maybe I should suggest that some of the better upgrades for Demon should be too high for Pierce to reach?

Basically, is there a legit reason why ANY random player should have to wait until level 4, whether it be Bard, Dante, me, you or Gem?

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo
Additionally, much to everyone's chagrin, I'm going to be nerfing the Medics right after Mission 3. From now on, they're only going to have certain items, and Rage Rockets, which is pretty much all you have the Medic around for anyways, will most definitely not be one of them.

There will be no compromise, there will be no "we promise not to make her use Rage Rockets all the time anymore" or "maybe if she can only use one Rage Rocket per turn" bullshit. I'm going to nerf those Medics, period. The logic I'm going to use in-game is that it's costing entirely too much money to maintain an infinite supply of high quality items like, you guessed it, Rage Rockets, Max Revives, Full Heals and Full Restores, including items with similar functions. You can carry all that crap but I'm cutting the Medic off of it.

AB just said that they would lose Full Restores, Full Heals, Max Revives... pretty much all the stuff used for healing except for the partial heals.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

Hey, you got a legitmate reason why you're directing that particular barb? Cause it sounds like player specific griefing to me. Maybe I should suggest that some of the better upgrades for Demon should be too high for Pierce to reach?

How does "not giving the min-maxer more fuel to cheat" grab you as justification?

And sure, feel free to suggest that Pierce shouldn't get some of the Demon upgrades.

Except, of course, Demons are completely customizable and it's not really up to you. You'd probably be better off suggesting against Pierce getting a Breeder upgrade of some sort.

Originally Posted by Menarker

AB just said that they would lose Full Restores, Full Heals, Max Revives... pretty much all the stuff used for healing except for the partial heals.

What, and partial heals are worthless why would weeverusethemarrrrgggghhh?

AB, since Medics are losing Full Heals, can we request that they get specific items to deal with the status effects you invented for this RP? (Y'know, Plasmaburn, Deep Freeze, Exhaustion, Apathy, etc.)

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

How does "not giving the min-maxer more fuel to cheat" grab you as justification?

And sure, feel free to suggest that Pierce shouldn't get some of the Demon upgrades.

Except, of course, Demons are completely customizable and it's not really up to you. You'd probably be better off suggesting against Pierce getting a Breeder upgrade of some sort.

I already promised and agreed to the entire not-min-maxing thing and I believe I've been keeping to that, being rather upfront about just about every single possibility of what it would do to my character for every suggestion anyone has made. That and I believe I've been doing well in advocating power boosts to pokebrids so Dante and anyone who invests heavily in them would benefit, but someone like me who is only splashing in it wouldn't. That and my proposed Trainer Action looked very balanced and I tried to help your moves being strong yet balanced too. I think you're being rather uncharitable and unfair about this.

AB also said that he was making the Demon class so there would be a power guide as to what abilities would be applicable with what levels. So frankly, one could say that I could vouch a certain ability to be higher power than it should be. That would be unfair to you. But it would also be unfair to Gem and anyone else planning to go Demon in the future. Plus, anyone else wanting to be a slayer would be effected too by your suggestions

So really, try not to be hateful about upgrades.

[Dracorion]

Just because you're being upfront about everything doesn't mean we should instantly approve. It still needs to be discussed.

(PS: Geminex, don't think I haven't noticed you're a filthy liar who won't help me balance my trainer actions or even respond arrrgghhdon'teventrytogive your patented excusethatyou'reshortontimeitwon't work on me I'm here every day slavingtokeepacleanRPforyouandthisishowyoutreatme I'M LEAVING YOU)

[Menarker]

I'm not moving for instant approval. But it certainly shows that I'm not attempting to be a min-maxer if all the details are on the board to see and I'm playing within the rules everyone agreed on. Which is the entire basis of your argument, that I can't be trusted to begin with. With that negative attitude coloring your judgement, you're effecting upgrades which would effect everyone who would think of being slayer/overblade in the future.

As for you saying it needs to be discussed, you evaded my question. What possible reason do you have of moving the proposed upgrade from 3rd level like AB suggested to fourth, aside from you not trusting me and thus not wanting to give it to me?

[Dracorion]

Nope, I pretty much just don't trust you.

And technically, being open about being a min-maxer doesn't necessarily mean you're not trying to min-max.

Also, I'm fairly certain no one else is planning to go Overblade, or if they are, not as high as you.

But I guess you're right. Though, if it turns out I'm right and you shouldn't get a fourth accessory, I will claim Lola as my prize.

So think twice about min-maxing that fourth accessory. And then think again.

[Menarker]

You have my word. (Although I'll kill you if you think of taking Lola! Not Pierce. YOU. =P)

Of course, best for me to see what accessories AB come up with. I wouldn't need to even think of inventing new custom accessories if the ones that AB make are awesome enough. Plus, some of the current accessories are already great.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

You have my word. (Although I'll kill you if you think of taking Lola! Not Pierce. YOU. =P)

You're welcome to try. But I will take Lola. That is the only condition by which I will let you have a fourth accessory at Overblade 3.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Of course, best for me to see what accessories AB come up with. I wouldn't need to even think of inventing new custom accessories if the ones that AB make are awesome enough. Plus, some of the current accessories are already great.

Most of 'em suck though.

To clarify, if your just having a fourth accessory turns out wrong, I will take Lola.