My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 7

rpgdemon · 09-24-2011, 08:49 AM

So, people who haven't posted, why have you not posted? There are a fair number of you, from my rough remembering things.

Before lynching someone who is giving information to us, even if it's an attempt to be misleading, why aren't we taking out people who aren't really interested in the game (And thus won't be too torn up over being the first lynch), and aren't giving us ANYTHING to work on? They're not even helping voting swing in our favor, they're just filling space. The only downside to falsely taking one of them out is that we miss a kill on scum.

Sifright · 09-24-2011, 08:56 AM

HOS: rpgdemon

Killing off the inactives is a very easy way for scum to even the odds of victory with out offending any of the townies and it's exactly what scum tried to pull last game. Hmmm

rpgdemon · 09-24-2011, 09:13 AM

Killing off an inactive player falsely doesn't do much for the scum as far as I see it. It doesn't tip the ratio towards them, as the inactive player didn't really "have" a vote to begin with.

In terms of what the town gains versus what the scum gains, we serve to gain more by killing off an inactive player than they do. We could hit them, when they're trying to hide in inactivity, instead of taking out someone who seems to be giving help and advice.

My main problem with taking out Snake/Smarty turn 1 is that it feels a lot like people just jumping on them since it was a trend, and that way they don't have to worry about their individual actions/scum can mask their kill.

This was literally the thing that WON the game for the scum last time, all the bandwagonning. Someone points a finger, someone jumps that guy, then mob mentality kicks in (And the scum start piling on), and then oh, whoops, there's another townie. The killing of inactive players was just a symptom of the bandwagon problem, not the cause of the loss.

greed · 09-24-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

So, people who haven't posted, why have you not posted? There are a fair number of you, from my rough remembering things.

Before lynching someone who is giving information to us, even if it's an attempt to be misleading, why aren't we taking out people who aren't really interested in the game (And thus won't be too torn up over being the first lynch), and aren't giving us ANYTHING to work on? They're not even helping voting swing in our favor, they're just filling space. The only downside to falsely taking one of them out is that we miss a kill on scum.

I was gonna post a random vote, then Snake posted this huge attack on random voting, so I balked. And then I wasn't on the net anymore for a few hours. I'm also active at odd times due to being in like the reverse timezone for most of you (that is US East coasters). As it is I'm not really that experienced at mafia and a lot of people are making pretty good arguments as far as I can tell.

Which leads to the issue I have at the moment. Scum hides in anonymity. Scum hides in the critics. Scum hides in the most visible posters. These are all being said, and all have been true in past games. So I'm mulling over who to vote for seeing as we seem to be heading toward taking a day one vote seriously which I haven't done before. About the only thing I can add is, the last game (Homestuck Mafia) seemed like a total cluster fuck due to massive lack of activity, so any second timers probably shouldn't judge things by that one.

Sifright · 09-24-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Killing off an inactive player falsely doesn't do much for the scum as far as I see it. It doesn't tip the ratio towards them, as the inactive player didn't really "have" a vote to begin with.

In terms of what the town gains versus what the scum gains, we serve to gain more by killing off an inactive player than they do. We could hit them, when they're trying to hide in inactivity, instead of taking out someone who seems to be giving help and advice.

My main problem with taking out Snake/Smarty turn 1 is that it feels a lot like people just jumping on them since it was a trend, and that way they don't have to worry about their individual actions/scum can mask their kill.

This was literally the thing that WON the game for the scum last time, all the bandwagonning. Someone points a finger, someone jumps that guy, then mob mentality kicks in (And the scum start piling on), and then oh, whoops, there's another townie. The killing of inactive players was just a symptom of the bandwagon problem, not the cause of the loss.

It's not that killing inactive changes the vote situation but what it does do is bring them closer to total victory especially as inactives wont always be so. On the other hand if we ignore inactives totally it gives scum a very effective way to hide.

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-24-2011, 11:43 AM

I don't know, I feel a bit like Snake's shut us down a bit- normallly (read: every mafia game on here except hthe last one) we through out some random votes then somebody in response says something totally suspect and we lynch them and all their buddies. Works pretty well then.
I don't know how we're supposed to get info now that Snake has called out the random voters, all the scum can just hide behind the "I didn't want to be a random voter" now.
If it was anybody else I would think it was a bit scummy but to be honest it fits with Snakes posting so Imma chalk it up to snake being snake..

So in lieu of that we could try and figure out what kind of roles we think are floating around though this would arm the scum with fake role claims potentially so I don't think we should do that.

So I'm asking Snake- without the churning activity causing byrandom voting how do you suggest we proceed day 1?
The only thing I can come up with is rounding out the inactives- Sif posted that it could help the Scum I don't agree. The scum k now who each other are, they don't want information to be spread around the town- the more the town talks the more likely scum will be given away/incriminated. The problem last game was half the town not really playing- so there was little discussion and the scum had strong control of the vote.
But I mean this is not my favoured plan but I don't have any other one right now.
More posting//opinions from other players wouldbeuseful.

Sifright · 09-24-2011, 11:46 AM

Personally I think if we did a full role call it would work pretty well but thats risky.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 09-24-2011, 11:59 AM

How exactly would the role call work anyway? People just go "hey guys I'm totally X and I have X special ability"? Cos I don't see how that works when people can just start making up roles and we have no way to verify their claims. And even if someone is telling the truth, how do we know? All it will do is sow more confusion and allows the scum to find out who might be decent targets to kill off. I guess that's the "risky" part of the plan, but I don't see how it can help us.

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-24-2011, 12:06 PM

I had a rolecall once in a game, it pretty much just singled out the town's power and lead to easy mafia victory.

Aldurin · 09-24-2011, 12:08 PM

We shouldn't do a role call because the scum would probably claim to be normal townies (and use obscure names from the show), then they'd know who were the important roles and we'd be more or less screwed.

09-24-2011, 08:49 AM	#61
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	So, people who haven't posted, why have you not posted? There are a fair number of you, from my rough remembering things. Before lynching someone who is giving information to us, even if it's an attempt to be misleading, why aren't we taking out people who aren't really interested in the game (And thus won't be too torn up over being the first lynch), and aren't giving us ANYTHING to work on? They're not even helping voting swing in our favor, they're just filling space. The only downside to falsely taking one of them out is that we miss a kill on scum. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

09-24-2011, 09:13 AM	#63
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Killing off an inactive player falsely doesn't do much for the scum as far as I see it. It doesn't tip the ratio towards them, as the inactive player didn't really "have" a vote to begin with. In terms of what the town gains versus what the scum gains, we serve to gain more by killing off an inactive player than they do. We could hit them, when they're trying to hide in inactivity, instead of taking out someone who seems to be giving help and advice. My main problem with taking out Snake/Smarty turn 1 is that it feels a lot like people just jumping on them since it was a trend, and that way they don't have to worry about their individual actions/scum can mask their kill. This was literally the thing that WON the game for the scum last time, all the bandwagonning. Someone points a finger, someone jumps that guy, then mob mentality kicks in (And the scum start piling on), and then oh, whoops, there's another townie. The killing of inactive players was just a symptom of the bandwagon problem, not the cause of the loss. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

09-24-2011, 08:56 AM	#62
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	HOS: rpgdemon Killing off the inactives is a very easy way for scum to even the odds of victory with out offending any of the townies and it's exactly what scum tried to pull last game. Hmmm

09-24-2011, 11:43 AM	#66
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I don't know, I feel a bit like Snake's shut us down a bit- normallly (read: every mafia game on here except hthe last one) we through out some random votes then somebody in response says something totally suspect and we lynch them and all their buddies. Works pretty well then. I don't know how we're supposed to get info now that Snake has called out the random voters, all the scum can just hide behind the "I didn't want to be a random voter" now. If it was anybody else I would think it was a bit scummy but to be honest it fits with Snakes posting so Imma chalk it up to snake being snake.. So in lieu of that we could try and figure out what kind of roles we think are floating around though this would arm the scum with fake role claims potentially so I don't think we should do that. So I'm asking Snake- without the churning activity causing byrandom voting how do you suggest we proceed day 1? The only thing I can come up with is rounding out the inactives- Sif posted that it could help the Scum I don't agree. The scum k now who each other are, they don't want information to be spread around the town- the more the town talks the more likely scum will be given away/incriminated. The problem last game was half the town not really playing- so there was little discussion and the scum had strong control of the vote. But I mean this is not my favoured plan but I don't have any other one right now. More posting//opinions from other players wouldbeuseful.

09-24-2011, 11:46 AM	#67
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Personally I think if we did a full role call it would work pretty well but thats risky.

09-24-2011, 12:06 PM	#69
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I had a rolecall once in a game, it pretty much just singled out the town's power and lead to easy mafia victory.

09-24-2011, 12:08 PM	#70
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	We shouldn't do a role call because the scum would probably claim to be normal townies (and use obscure names from the show), then they'd know who were the important roles and we'd be more or less screwed.