The Dark Knight Rises - Page 7

BloodyMage · 07-30-2012, 03:25 AM

I think they'd probably do well to actually use Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman, going into a Justice League film. For once, Blake is a lot more friendly and seemingly willing to co-operate with others than I could imagine Nolan's Bruce Wayne being. They'd also be pretty foolish to let the guy slip away given that he's very popular at the minute and he's got a youthful aspect.

Oh, him becoming Nightwing, While it seems the film was ambiguous about him becoming Batman or Robin, it would seem more more of a leap for him to become Nightwing. I'm pretty sure at one point the film Bruce Wayne says to Alfred or Fox or someone about the point of Batman as a symbol was that he could be anyone. That felt like a nod towards someone else taking up the same mantle at the end. Bit with the bats in the cave felt like a nod towards Bruce Wayne's own origin (in this universe) too.

That said, that fan made Nightwing above looks pretty rad.

Bells · 07-30-2012, 03:39 AM

The problem is that the Nolan universe just doesn't accept Mystical super heroes... and fans wouldn't accept another Batman that isn't Bruce Wayne in a justice league movie...

BloodyMage · 07-30-2012, 08:43 AM

They're already doing a realistic approach to Superman, and I'd imagine they'd do something similar if they were to reboot Green Lantern and include that character in the film too if they went with the ring just being alien tech. Wonder Woman could be included too because it would make sense that different aliens from different planets would evolve differently. Green Arrow is within the realms of possibility. Flash might be difficult since he is actually a superhuman.

I mean it depends on how far we're gonna debate realism in a film where a man is trained by ninjas, dresses like a bat, fights other ninjas, a chemist, a disfigured lawyer, a psychopath dressed as a clown, a ninja's daughter born in a prison and her masked terrorist lover. If those things exist it wouldn't be impossible for aliens to exist.

But yeah, fans definitely wouldn't like the Bruce Wayne switch out. Although they might like the continuity tie in.

Professor Smarmiarty · 07-30-2012, 04:31 PM

I always like how Nolan's films are supposedly "realistic" and wouldn't accept magical heroes.
There was more magical shit going on in TDK than in the Lord of the Fucking Rings (though that possesses a supringisly low level of magicons)

Magus · 07-30-2012, 04:37 PM

Well the Joker seems to bend space-time to get everywhere he has to get in the time allotted and he has a preternatural sense of timing and presumably the ability to read the future. But that's just a plot hole.

Maybe the Nolanverse accepts any kind of super-science explanation because there are some wacky things like the bat sonar signal in Begins that attracts the bats (which are powerful enough to break through glass) and the bat sonar thing in TDK that allows him to create realistic 3D images of entire cities.

Professor Smarmiarty · 07-30-2012, 04:43 PM

Superman getting fantastic powers by being to able to harness and process the magnificent power of the suns radiation makes more sense than we can turn a nuclear reactor into a nuclear bomb by flicking the explodoswitch.
He is superstrong and fast because he has lots of energy, he can reemit the adsorbed sun radiation as eye beams and to fly he just shits sunlight- gravity is the weakest force afterall- what is it compared to the tremendous electromagnetic energy that is the sun.

Magus · 07-30-2012, 04:48 PM

I'm actually not even sure if Christopher Nolan even set this supposed "realism" rule for the Nolanverse or if this is just what has been observed by fans on the outside of the inner-workings of these movies. I think he mostly cared about having villains with human personality--there's nothing inherently realistic about Two-Face's burned-off skull or many of the gadgets in the movies or Scarecrow's toxin or whatever. I think most people get hung up on the Joker's wearing face paint instead of looking that way, but that's an idea from the comics themselves (for example in The Dark Knight Returns he had the pale skin and the green hair but applied the lipstick himself [because Miller is a homophobe but anyway]) and maybe he just thought that would have more of an impact as an interesting human foible of the Joker than something exacted on him by an outside force (i.e. an acid vat).

Professor Smarmiarty · 07-30-2012, 04:52 PM

Yep Nolan sure has realistic characters all right- I know I personally sit around all day explaining everything that has just happened to me and what I am thinking and what I am about to do so anybody watching me can follow along with minimal ease.

Magus · 07-31-2012, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor Smarmiarty

Yep Nolan sure has realistic characters all right- I know I personally sit around all day explaining everything that has just happened to me and what I am thinking and what I am about to do so anybody watching me can follow along with minimal ease.

07-30-2012, 03:25 AM	#61
BloodyMage I'm not even in the highscore. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 667	I think they'd probably do well to actually use Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman, going into a Justice League film. For once, Blake is a lot more friendly and seemingly willing to co-operate with others than I could imagine Nolan's Bruce Wayne being. They'd also be pretty foolish to let the guy slip away given that he's very popular at the minute and he's got a youthful aspect. Oh, him becoming Nightwing, While it seems the film was ambiguous about him becoming Batman or Robin, it would seem more more of a leap for him to become Nightwing. I'm pretty sure at one point the film Bruce Wayne says to Alfred or Fox or someone about the point of Batman as a symbol was that he could be anyone. That felt like a nod towards someone else taking up the same mantle at the end. Bit with the bats in the cave felt like a nod towards Bruce Wayne's own origin (in this universe) too. That said, that fan made Nightwing above looks pretty rad. __________________ Read my blog: http://preposterousprose.wordpress.com/ A Visual Novel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPXrfdZ-vo&feature=plcp Buy my book http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Plagiarize...dp/1629890081/

07-30-2012, 03:39 AM	#62
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	The problem is that the Nolan universe just doesn't accept Mystical super heroes... and fans wouldn't accept another Batman that isn't Bruce Wayne in a justice league movie... __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

07-30-2012, 08:43 AM	#63
BloodyMage I'm not even in the highscore. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 667	They're already doing a realistic approach to Superman, and I'd imagine they'd do something similar if they were to reboot Green Lantern and include that character in the film too if they went with the ring just being alien tech. Wonder Woman could be included too because it would make sense that different aliens from different planets would evolve differently. Green Arrow is within the realms of possibility. Flash might be difficult since he is actually a superhuman. I mean it depends on how far we're gonna debate realism in a film where a man is trained by ninjas, dresses like a bat, fights other ninjas, a chemist, a disfigured lawyer, a psychopath dressed as a clown, a ninja's daughter born in a prison and her masked terrorist lover. If those things exist it wouldn't be impossible for aliens to exist. But yeah, fans definitely wouldn't like the Bruce Wayne switch out. Although they might like the continuity tie in. __________________ Read my blog: http://preposterousprose.wordpress.com/ A Visual Novel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPXrfdZ-vo&feature=plcp Buy my book http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Plagiarize...dp/1629890081/

07-30-2012, 04:37 PM	#65
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Well the Joker seems to bend space-time to get everywhere he has to get in the time allotted and he has a preternatural sense of timing and presumably the ability to read the future. But that's just a plot hole. Maybe the Nolanverse accepts any kind of super-science explanation because there are some wacky things like the bat sonar signal in Begins that attracts the bats (which are powerful enough to break through glass) and the bat sonar thing in TDK that allows him to create realistic 3D images of entire cities. Last edited by Magus; 07-30-2012 at 04:44 PM.

07-30-2012, 04:31 PM	#64
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I always like how Nolan's films are supposedly "realistic" and wouldn't accept magical heroes. There was more magical shit going on in TDK than in the Lord of the Fucking Rings (though that possesses a supringisly low level of magicons)

07-30-2012, 04:43 PM	#66
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Superman getting fantastic powers by being to able to harness and process the magnificent power of the suns radiation makes more sense than we can turn a nuclear reactor into a nuclear bomb by flicking the explodoswitch. He is superstrong and fast because he has lots of energy, he can reemit the adsorbed sun radiation as eye beams and to fly he just shits sunlight- gravity is the weakest force afterall- what is it compared to the tremendous electromagnetic energy that is the sun.

07-30-2012, 04:48 PM	#67
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	I'm actually not even sure if Christopher Nolan even set this supposed "realism" rule for the Nolanverse or if this is just what has been observed by fans on the outside of the inner-workings of these movies. I think he mostly cared about having villains with human personality--there's nothing inherently realistic about Two-Face's burned-off skull or many of the gadgets in the movies or Scarecrow's toxin or whatever. I think most people get hung up on the Joker's wearing face paint instead of looking that way, but that's an idea from the comics themselves (for example in The Dark Knight Returns he had the pale skin and the green hair but applied the lipstick himself [because Miller is a homophobe but anyway]) and maybe he just thought that would have more of an impact as an interesting human foible of the Joker than something exacted on him by an outside force (i.e. an acid vat).

07-30-2012, 04:52 PM	#68
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Yep Nolan sure has realistic characters all right- I know I personally sit around all day explaining everything that has just happened to me and what I am thinking and what I am about to do so anybody watching me can follow along with minimal ease.